From sbelknap@UIC.EDU Sat Mar 01 07:15:03 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_3_4); 1 Mar 2003 15:15:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 81230 invoked from network); 1 Mar 2003 15:15:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Mar 2003 15:15:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO digitalkingdom.org) (204.152.186.175) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Mar 2003 15:15:02 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.12) id 18p8hZ-0002Zg-00 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 01 Mar 2003 07:15:01 -0800 Received: from digitalkingdom.org ([204.152.186.175] helo=chain) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18p8hL-0002Yk-00; Sat, 01 Mar 2003 07:14:47 -0800 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Sat, 01 Mar 2003 07:14:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from birch.cc.uic.edu ([128.248.155.162]) by digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.12) id 18p8gw-0002Xi-00 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Sat, 01 Mar 2003 07:14:22 -0800 Received: (qmail 25404 invoked from network); 1 Mar 2003 09:14:15 -0600 Received: from dial0-197.dialin.uic.edu (HELO uic.edu) (128.248.170.230) by birch.cc.uic.edu with SMTP; 1 Mar 2003 09:14:15 -0600 Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2003 09:14:14 -0600 Subject: [lojban] Re: Any (was: Nick will be with you shortly) Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary=Apple-Mail-11--495021714 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v551) Cc: lojban-list@lojban.org To: jcowan@reutershealth.com In-Reply-To: <200302281854.NAA13744@mail.reutershealth.com> Message-Id: <76EC5444-4BF8-11D7-82B8-000393629ED4@uic.edu> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.551) X-archive-position: 4262 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: sbelknap@uic.edu Precedence: bulk X-list: lojban-list From: Steven Belknap Reply-To: sbelknap@uic.edu X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=810567 --Apple-Mail-11--495021714 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed On Friday, February 28, 2003, at 12:56 PM, John Cowan wrote: > Steven Belknap scripsit: > >> The typical lion's sex is unspecified, but is either male or female. > > No, the typical (as opposed to the average/mean/median/modal lion) is=20 > neither > male nor female, because it is not a lion at all. > >> a pride of lions climbs in to my Ford Windstar, I can separately >> consider each lion as it enters and classify each lion as being=20 >> typical >> or atypical. > > This is a different sense of "typical" from the one being used here,=20 > closer > to "modal". It is expressed not with a gadri, but with "cnano". Perhaps I have misunderstood. I have interpreted your use of the word=20 "typical" to refer to a device or rule that can be used to inspect any=20 given instance of a lion and determine whether or not it is "typical".=20 This is *not* my understanding of "cnano", which I thought was=20 normative - a sort of vague mean/median/mode reference. My lion in the=20 Windstar example is *not* normative, it is an example of application of=20 a rule. Here is the AHD definition of typical: 1. Exhibiting the qualities, traits, or characteristics that identify a=20 kind, class, group, or category: a typical suburban community. 2. Of or=20 relating to a representative specimen; characteristic or distinctive.=20 3. Conforming to a type: a composition typical of the baroque period.=20 4. also typ=B7ic (- --Apple-Mail-11--495021714 Content-Disposition: inline; filename=image.tiff Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Type: image/tiff; x-unix-mode=0666; name="image.tiff" TU0AKgAAAEKAACBQOCQWDQeBv+EQuBQqGweHACIxOGRWLReFxGMQaKRuKxqPRCQwyQSOCSWTQ+Uy qJQmVy+YS+AgAA4BAAADAAAAAQAHAAABAQADAAAAAQAPAAABAgADAAAABAAAAPABAwADAAAAAQAF AAABBgADAAAAAQACAAABEQAEAAAAAQAAAAgBFQADAAAAAQAEAAABFgAEAAAAAQAABJIBFwAEAAAA AQAAADoBGgAFAAAAAQAAAPgBGwAFAAAAAQAAAQABHAADAAAAAQABAAABKAADAAAAAQACAAABUgAD AAAAAQABAAAAAAAAAAgACAAIAAgACvyAAAAnEAAK/IAAACcQ --Apple-Mail-11--495021714 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed k) Of the nature of, constituting, or serving as a type; emblematic. Which sense of "typical" is typical of the usage of "typical" that is "the one being used here"? -Steven --Apple-Mail-11--495021714--