From ragnarok@pobox.com Sun Mar 02 16:42:57 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: ragnarok@pobox.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_3_4); 3 Mar 2003 00:42:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 96237 invoked from network); 3 Mar 2003 00:27:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Mar 2003 00:27:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp.intrex.net) (209.42.192.250) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Mar 2003 00:27:48 -0000 Received: from craig [209.42.200.67] by smtp.intrex.net (SMTPD32-7.13) id A18289A90050; Sun, 02 Mar 2003 19:27:46 -0500 To: "Lojban@Yahoogroups. Com" Subject: RE: [lojban] The Any thread Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2003 19:28:03 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal X-Declude-Sender: ragnarok@pobox.com [209.42.200.67] From: "Craig" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=48763382 X-Yahoo-Profile: kreig_daniyl >On xod & Craig's side, it is certainly true that "mi nitcu lo >mikce" is true if, for any doctor, I need them, and "mi viska >lo mlatu" is true if, for any cat, I see it. You misunderstand. I claim that "I need a (Any) doctor" is expressed by "mi lo mikce nitcu" and that my need will be met whatever doctor you bring me, within reason. "Within reason" is qualified by my ternitcu; the fact that that is zo'e means that if it matters, it's probably obvious. >1. I need there to be a lojban dictionary >whereas "mi nitcu lo lojbo valsi cukta" means >2. There is a lojban dictionary that I need (there to be) Not at all. I say "mi nitcu lo lojbo valsi cukta" expresses a need that will be met if "mi ponsi lo lojbo valsi cukta" becomes true, regardless of WHAT lojbo valsi cukta I acquire.