From Philip.Newton@datenrevision.de Mon Mar 03 02:49:16 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_3_4); 3 Mar 2003 10:49:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 44530 invoked from network); 3 Mar 2003 10:49:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Mar 2003 10:49:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO digitalkingdom.org) (204.152.186.175) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Mar 2003 10:49:15 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.12) id 18pnVS-0008Op-00 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 03 Mar 2003 02:49:14 -0800 Received: from digitalkingdom.org ([204.152.186.175] helo=chain) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18pnUy-0008OI-00; Mon, 03 Mar 2003 02:48:44 -0800 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Mon, 03 Mar 2003 02:48:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailgw6.gedas.de ([139.1.44.12] helo=spree.gedas.de) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18pnSL-0008NX-00 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Mon, 03 Mar 2003 02:46:09 -0800 Received: from spree.gedas.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by spree.gedas.de (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA25833 for ; Mon, 3 Mar 2003 11:45:08 +0100 (MET) Received: from blnsem05.de.gedas.vwg (blnsem05.gedas.de [139.1.84.49]) by spree.gedas.de (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA25829 for ; Mon, 3 Mar 2003 11:45:07 +0100 (MET) Received: by blnsem05.de.gedas.vwg with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Mon, 3 Mar 2003 11:44:05 +0100 Message-ID: To: "'lojban-list@lojban.org'" Subject: [lojban] Re: ma cmene le cmana Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 11:45:05 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-archive-position: 4281 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: Philip.Newton@datenrevision.de Precedence: bulk X-list: lojban-list From: "Newton, Philip" Reply-To: Philip.Newton@datenrevision.de X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=23036112 X-Yahoo-Profile: elder_newton coi .jexOm. do cusku di'e > mi nelci lezu'o mi cusku lo'u ma cmene le cmana le'u > .i ta'o le cmana se cmene la labma'a noi se cmene zoi my. Mont-Blanc > .my. bau la fraso ku'o You need an extra {cu} in there: {le cmana *cu* se cmene zo labma'a}. Also, I'm pretty certain it has to be {zo labma'a} and not {la labma'a} because {la labma'a} is "the thing called <>"... and that is not a name; it's a thing. (Consider the knight's song from _Alice_.) What I'm not sure about is whether {la labma'a noi se cmene ...} makes sense -- it sounds to me as if you're saying "By the way, the mountain is called "Labma'a", and "Labma'a" is called "Mont-Blanc" in French", which is wrong -- the *mountain* is called "Mont-Blanc" in French, not the *name* "labma'a". (Again, consider the knight's song... "the name of this song is called X", etc.) mu'o mi'e .filip. [email copies appreciated, since I read the digest] {ko fukpi mrilu fi mi ki'u le du'u mi te mrilu le notseljmaji} -- filip.niutyn. All opinions are my own, not my employer's. If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.