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From: Pierre Abbat <phma@webjockey.net>
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On Monday 03 March 2003 12:56, Craig wrote:
> >> Is there data for this stuff somewhere?
> >
> >The nitty-gritty details are at
>
> http://www.lojban.org/files/etymology/finprims
>
> This puzzles me. The Spanish glosses are sometimes really weird. eg,
> pont - puente
> kord - cuerda
> port - puerta
>
> This 'ue' does represent an original /O/, but it contrasts with /o/. It is
> also not pronounced o anywhere, except maybe portugal - and that is
> generally not thought of as the same language. What happened?

Some words have a regular alternation between "ue" and "o" depending on 
stress: oler:huele; contar:cuente. Perhaps the "o"-form is the stem of a 
longer derived word.

phma