From lojban-out@lojban.org Mon Mar 03 16:15:27 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_3_4); 4 Mar 2003 00:15:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 40239 invoked from network); 4 Mar 2003 00:15:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Mar 2003 00:15:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO digitalkingdom.org) (204.152.186.175) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Mar 2003 00:15:27 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.12) id 18q05Z-0003ao-00 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 03 Mar 2003 16:15:21 -0800 Received: from digitalkingdom.org ([204.152.186.175] helo=chain) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18q02I-0003XU-00; Mon, 03 Mar 2003 16:11:58 -0800 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Mon, 03 Mar 2003 16:11:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from cs6668125-184.austin.rr.com ([66.68.125.184] ident=root) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18q02B-0003XL-00 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Mon, 03 Mar 2003 16:11:52 -0800 Received: from cs6668125-184.austin.rr.com (asdf@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cs6668125-184.austin.rr.com (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id h240IWCG021118 for ; Mon, 3 Mar 2003 18:18:32 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from fracture@cs6668125-184.austin.rr.com) Received: (from fracture@localhost) by cs6668125-184.austin.rr.com (8.12.3/8.12.3/Submit) id h240IWFm021113 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Mon, 3 Mar 2003 18:18:32 -0600 (CST) Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 18:18:31 -0600 To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: The Any thread Message-ID: <20030304001831.GA21058@allusion.net> References: <20030303233954.GA20346@allusion.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="RnlQjJ0d97Da+TV1" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.1i X-archive-position: 4316 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: fracture@allusion.net Precedence: bulk X-list: lojban-list X-eGroups-From: Jordan DeLong From: Jordan DeLong Reply-To: fracture@allusion.net X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790 X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out --RnlQjJ0d97Da+TV1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Mar 03, 2003 at 06:50:58PM -0500, Craig wrote: > >> >{lo} is not defined in traditional Lojban the way you want it. > >> > >> Yes it is. >=20 > >No it isn't. mi nitcu lo mikce =3D=3D Ex(Mx & Nmx). There is no > >question that this is the definition given in CLL. Traditional > >lojban =3D=3D CLL. >=20 > First, I wish to thank Jordan for trying to remove us from the world of > unbacked assertions. Heh. > Second, I wish to note that in each case, the 'unbacked' assertion was a > conclusion to what was above it. It is silly to answer a conclusion to a > message without responding to its content. Heh. > Third, the fact that anyone disagrees about the meaning of {mi nitcu lo > mikce} means that there *is* a question. Um. The book says what it says. I don't feel like finding quotes. Just go read chapter 16. > So let's avoid the unbacked > assertions. Now, I know you're about to make an argumentum ad populum her= e > (or at least most people would) and claim that there are only two of us. = To Straw man. [...] > Fourth, traditional Lojban =3D=3D Baseline. This includes CLL, but is by = no > means limited to it. Of course, what I had intended was that anything in CLL is obviously standard or "traditional" lojban. So this point is off topic. --=20 Jordan DeLong - fracture@allusion.net lu zo'o loi censa bakni cu terzba le zaltapla poi xagrai li'u sei la mark. tuen. cusku --RnlQjJ0d97Da+TV1 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE+Y/DXDrrilS51AZ8RAmakAJ0UBOZH8oDGJK1CAwRMtbjcEDrIdQCcCtcl pFviWFP8qAEWf2Xx2kpQe/E= =jg95 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --RnlQjJ0d97Da+TV1--