From lojbab@lojban.org Mon Mar 03 16:56:20 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_3_4); 4 Mar 2003 00:56:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 72107 invoked from network); 4 Mar 2003 00:56:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Mar 2003 00:56:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO digitalkingdom.org) (204.152.186.175) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Mar 2003 00:56:19 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.12) id 18q0iy-0003ip-00 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 03 Mar 2003 16:56:04 -0800 Received: from digitalkingdom.org ([204.152.186.175] helo=chain) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18q0fx-0003i6-00; Mon, 03 Mar 2003 16:52:57 -0800 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Mon, 03 Mar 2003 16:52:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from lakemtao02.cox.net ([68.1.17.243]) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18q0fr-0003hr-00 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Mon, 03 Mar 2003 16:52:51 -0800 Received: from lojban.lojban.org ([68.100.92.1]) by lakemtao02.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with ESMTP id <20030304005210.XQVA6744.lakemtao02.cox.net@lojban.lojban.org>; Mon, 3 Mar 2003 19:52:10 -0500 Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20030303193828.0349e1f0@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: rlechevalier@pop.east.cox.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2003 19:48:14 -0500 To: ragnarok@pobox.com, Subject: [lojban] Re: Honorifics (was: RE: Re: The Any thread) In-Reply-To: References: <20030303235645.GA20658@allusion.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-archive-position: 4318 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: lojbab@lojban.org Precedence: bulk X-list: lojban-list From: Robert LeChevalier Reply-To: lojbab@lojban.org X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1120595 X-Yahoo-Profile: lojbab At 06:59 PM 3/3/03 -0500, Craig wrote: > >ga'i > >Despite the gloss, ga'i does not cover honorific territory. It is necessary >for a true honorific system to be able to indicate more than rank. ga'i covers the rank portion of the honorific. You have many many attitudinals to modify the rank to get other honorific functions. "io" would seem to likely be common. > For >instance, most communist leaders would want an honorific indicating that >they are close to the people. Comrade(tovarishch) as I understand it implies equal in rank, but with some formal respect, so ga'icu'i .io, or simply ".io" would work. Also, most honorifics that have nothing to do with leadership are not simply >rank. These include both honorific meanings of "Doctor", "Professor" when >used honorifically, "the Honorable" for judges, and probably some that I >can't think of. Also consider the English system, which it would help to be >able to translate for use when translating texts. Mister for male, Miss for >unmarried female, and suspensions that don't expand to anything anymore but >are pronounced "miz" and "misses" for generic and married female >respectively. This cannot be said with ga'i, and it is essential for >translations that it be translatable. Professor Smith might be doi smit po'u la ctuca .io Mister is then la nanmu .io Ms. is then la ninmu .io Mrs. is then la fetspe .io ga'i was put in for when a relative rank is explicitly required, as in some Asian languages. lojbab -- lojbab lojbab@lojban.org Bob LeChevalier, President, The Logical Language Group, Inc. 2904 Beau Lane, Fairfax VA 22031-1303 USA 703-385-0273 Artificial language Loglan/Lojban: http://www.lojban.org