From jcowan@reutershealth.com Wed Mar 05 14:11:39 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jcowan@reutershealth.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_1); 5 Mar 2003 22:11:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 24026 invoked from network); 5 Mar 2003 22:11:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Mar 2003 22:11:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.reutershealth.com) (65.246.141.36) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Mar 2003 22:11:38 -0000 Received: from skunk.reutershealth.com (mail [65.246.141.36]) by mail.reutershealth.com (Pro-8.9.3/Pro-8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA00948 for ; Wed, 5 Mar 2003 17:08:42 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200303052208.RAA00948@mail.reutershealth.com> Received: by skunk.reutershealth.com (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Wed, 5 Mar 2003 17:11:37 -0500 Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: The Any thread To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 17:11:37 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: from "Craig" at Mar 05, 2003 05:06:17 PM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: John Cowan X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=8122456 X-Yahoo-Profile: john_w_cowan Craig scripsit: > Umm... no. "I need a doctor." I have a need which will be filled if I am > attended to by Dr. Foo. However, I could equally well accept the services of > Dr. Bar, so I don't actually need Dr. Foo. I need a doctor, according to my > view of lo, is "mi nitcu lo mikce". However, "zasti falo mikce poi mi ke'a > na nitcu" is still true - I don't actually need Dr. Foo since Dr. Bar can > treat me. Thinking about doctors, IMHO, just confuses the issue. Take "I need a box with dimensions 2m by 2m by 2cm." You can need such a thing perfectly well even if there is no such box anywhere. This is why needing involves an implied proposition: you cannot, e.g. see such a box unless there is such a box (neglecting visual illusions, where you see the *appearance* of a box but not the box itself). -- It was impossible to inveigle John Cowan Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel http://www.ccil.org/~cowan Into offering the slightest apology http://www.reutershealth.com For his Phenomenology. --W. H. Auden, from "People" (1953)