From xod@thestonecutters.net Wed Mar 05 14:43:28 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_1); 5 Mar 2003 22:43:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 18900 invoked from network); 5 Mar 2003 22:43:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Mar 2003 22:43:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO digitalkingdom.org) (204.152.186.175) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Mar 2003 22:43:27 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.12) id 18qhbj-0004mF-00 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 05 Mar 2003 14:43:27 -0800 Received: from digitalkingdom.org ([204.152.186.175] helo=chain) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18qhbf-0004ll-00; Wed, 05 Mar 2003 14:43:23 -0800 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Wed, 05 Mar 2003 14:43:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from [66.111.194.10] (helo=granite.thestonecutters.net) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18qhbV-0004l6-00 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Wed, 05 Mar 2003 14:43:13 -0800 Received: from granite.thestonecutters.net (localhost.thestonecutters.net [127.0.0.1]) by granite.thestonecutters.net (8.12.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h25MhIXd098733 for ; Wed, 5 Mar 2003 17:43:18 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from xod@thestonecutters.net) Received: from localhost (xod@localhost) by granite.thestonecutters.net (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) with ESMTP id h25MhICb098730 for ; Wed, 5 Mar 2003 17:43:18 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from xod@thestonecutters.net) X-Authentication-Warning: granite.thestonecutters.net: xod owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 17:43:18 -0500 (EST) To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: The Any thread In-Reply-To: <200303052235.RAA01353@mail.reutershealth.com> Message-ID: <20030305174203.T88738-100000@granite.thestonecutters.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-archive-position: 4374 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: xod@thestonecutters.net Precedence: bulk X-list: lojban-list From: Invent Yourself Reply-To: xod@thestonecutters.net X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=110189215 X-Yahoo-Profile: throwing_back_the_apple On Wed, 5 Mar 2003, John Cowan wrote: > Craig scripsit: > > > But, doctors do exist, and if they didn't there wouldn't be one I don't > > need. And claims that the existence of a specific doctor that I don't need > > falsifies my reading of "mi nitcu lo mikce", but I claim the existence of a > > specific doctor that I do need would falsify it, and e is just > > misinterpreting. > > The existence of one or more doctors that fail the need test ("need not" > is not a negation of "need" in English, leading to still more confusion) > *does* falsify "mi nitcu lo mikce", which is good evidence that it does > not translate "I need a doctor, any doctor", but rather means "There > is/are doctor(s) that I need." Will you explain, though, under what definition of "not specific" or "not in-mind" do you use to restrict lo mikce beyond any doctor? -- What would Jesus bomb?