From ragnarok@pobox.com Wed Mar 05 14:55:31 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: ragnarok@pobox.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_1); 5 Mar 2003 22:55:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 53625 invoked from network); 5 Mar 2003 22:55:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Mar 2003 22:55:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp.intrex.net) (209.42.192.250) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Mar 2003 22:55:30 -0000 Received: from craig [209.42.200.67] by smtp.intrex.net (SMTPD32-7.13) id A06017EC026C; Wed, 05 Mar 2003 17:55:28 -0500 To: Subject: RE: [lojban] Re: The Any thread Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 17:55:34 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <200303052235.RAA01353@mail.reutershealth.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 X-Declude-Sender: ragnarok@pobox.com [209.42.200.67] From: "Craig" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=48763382 X-Yahoo-Profile: kreig_daniyl >> But, doctors do exist, and if they didn't there wouldn't be one I don't >> need. And claims that the existence of a specific doctor that I don't need >> falsifies my reading of "mi nitcu lo mikce", but I claim the existence of a >> specific doctor that I do need would falsify it, and e is just >> misinterpreting. >The existence of one or more doctors that fail the need test ("need not" >is not a negation of "need" in English, leading to still more confusion) >*does* falsify "mi nitcu lo mikce", which is good evidence that it does >not translate "I need a doctor, any doctor", but rather means "There >is/are doctor(s) that I need." This is what the Any interpretation means! No specific doctor is needed. None. However, I do need a doctor, and when that doctor shows up e is likely to be specific. "I need a doctor" in English usually means "I need Any doctor", which would be false if: 1. There is a specific doctor that I need. I could then still need a doctor, but I wouldn't need Any doctor, which is what I interpret lojban "mi nitcu lo mikce" as meaning. Maybe it's just a glico bias, but I also think that my interpretation makes more sense. OR 2. My need can be filled without a doctor. Then I don't need a doctor.