From lojban-out@lojban.org Thu Mar 06 09:18:02 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_1); 6 Mar 2003 17:18:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 54137 invoked from network); 6 Mar 2003 17:18:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Mar 2003 17:18:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO digitalkingdom.org) (204.152.186.175) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Mar 2003 17:18:01 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.12) id 18qz0L-0006eE-00 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 06 Mar 2003 09:18:01 -0800 Received: from digitalkingdom.org ([204.152.186.175] helo=chain) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18qyvO-0006b1-00; Thu, 06 Mar 2003 09:12:55 -0800 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Thu, 06 Mar 2003 09:12:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from manyas.bcc.bilkent.edu.tr ([139.179.30.24]) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18qyuo-0006aC-00 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Thu, 06 Mar 2003 09:12:18 -0800 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by manyas.bcc.bilkent.edu.tr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 117BA32262 for ; Thu, 6 Mar 2003 19:11:42 +0200 (EET) Received: from bilkent.edu.tr (ppp116.bcc.bilkent.edu.tr [139.179.111.116]) by manyas.bcc.bilkent.edu.tr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DFFD3221A for ; Thu, 6 Mar 2003 19:11:40 +0200 (EET) Message-ID: <3E6781B8.5000101@bilkent.edu.tr> Date: Thu, 06 Mar 2003 19:13:28 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.1) Gecko/20020826 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: The Any thread References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS snapshot-20020531 X-archive-position: 4393 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: robin@bilkent.edu.tr Precedence: bulk X-list: lojban-list X-eGroups-From: robin From: robin Reply-To: robin@bilkent.edu.tr X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790 X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out Craig wrote: >>>But, doctors do exist, and if they didn't there wouldn't be one I don't >>>need. And claims that the existence of a specific doctor that I don't >> > need > >>>falsifies my reading of "mi nitcu lo mikce", but I claim the existence of >> > a > >>>specific doctor that I do need would falsify it, and e is just >>>misinterpreting. >> > >>No, you can need something that doesn't exist. > > > I need the doctor to exist, and I need a doctor. I can't need the doctor if > the doctor is nonexistant. If I want to make a potion that requires powdered unicorn horn, then I need a unicorn horn. The fact that unicorns don't exist has nothing to do with it. robin.tr -- "The raisins may be the best part of a cake, but that doesn't mean that a bag of raisins is better than a cake." - Wittgenstein Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Univeritesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin