From sbelknap@UIC.EDU Fri Mar 07 03:29:32 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_1); 7 Mar 2003 11:29:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 76060 invoked from network); 7 Mar 2003 11:29:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Mar 2003 11:29:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO digitalkingdom.org) (204.152.186.175) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Mar 2003 11:29:31 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.12) id 18rG2d-0004aA-00 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 07 Mar 2003 03:29:31 -0800 Received: from digitalkingdom.org ([204.152.186.175] helo=chain) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18rG2S-0004Zq-00; Fri, 07 Mar 2003 03:29:20 -0800 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Fri, 07 Mar 2003 03:29:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from birch.cc.uic.edu ([128.248.155.162]) by digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.12) id 18rG24-0004ZZ-00 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Fri, 07 Mar 2003 03:28:56 -0800 Received: (qmail 29701 invoked from network); 7 Mar 2003 05:28:47 -0600 Received: from dial0-280.dialin.uic.edu (HELO uic.edu) (128.248.172.97) by birch.cc.uic.edu with SMTP; 7 Mar 2003 05:28:47 -0600 Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 05:28:51 -0600 Subject: [lojban] Re: The Any thread Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v551) Cc: lojban-list@lojban.org To: jcowan@reutershealth.com In-Reply-To: <200303052259.RAA01584@mail.reutershealth.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.551) X-archive-position: 4401 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: sbelknap@uic.edu Precedence: bulk X-list: lojban-list From: Steven Belknap Reply-To: sbelknap@uic.edu X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=810567 On Wednesday, March 5, 2003, at 05:02 PM, John Cowan wrote: > Invent Yourself scripsit: > >>> There is none. But I can need a doctor even if there are no doctors, >>> whereas "mi nitcu lo mikce" is false if there are no doctors. >> >> Let's assume there are doctors. Now does it work? > > I think so, but I may be muddled. "I need any doctor" is just not a > very > intuitive sentence for me. This apparently clear example seems contaminated by idiom and negation issues which don't seem to me to have much to do with the issue of translating the word "any" into lojban. For example: "I don't need any DOCTOR to tell me that I need more exercise." -Steven