From lojban-out@lojban.org Tue Mar 11 10:56:24 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_1); 11 Mar 2003 18:56:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 62042 invoked from network); 11 Mar 2003 18:56:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Mar 2003 18:56:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO digitalkingdom.org) (204.152.186.175) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Mar 2003 18:56:23 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.12) id 18sovH-0002uR-00 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 11 Mar 2003 10:56:23 -0800 Received: from digitalkingdom.org ([204.152.186.175] helo=chain) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18sovA-0002u1-00; Tue, 11 Mar 2003 10:56:16 -0800 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Tue, 11 Mar 2003 10:56:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from rlpowell by digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.12) id 18sov3-0002ts-00; Tue, 11 Mar 2003 10:56:09 -0800 Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 10:56:09 -0800 To: Arnt Richard Johansen via RT , lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: [lojban.org #92] Re: Your lujvo records in Jbovlaste Message-ID: <20030311185609.GK5580@digitalkingdom.org> Mail-Followup-To: Arnt Richard Johansen via RT , lojban-list@lojban.org References: <20030311184941.GI5580@digitalkingdom.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030311184941.GI5580@digitalkingdom.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.3i X-archive-position: 4429 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Precedence: bulk X-list: lojban-list X-eGroups-From: Robin Lee Powell From: Robin Lee Powell Reply-To: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790 X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out On Tue, Mar 11, 2003 at 10:49:41AM -0800, Robin Lee Powell wrote: > On Tue, Mar 11, 2003 at 05:16:14AM -0800, Arnt Richard Johansen via RT wrote: > > On Tue, 11 Mar 2003, Jorge Llambias wrote: > > > > > >The lujvo definitions you are making in Jbovlaste are not according > > > >to standard. > > > > > > > >See http://www.lojban.org/jbovlaste/help/definitions.html > > > > > > > >The short version is that instead of x1, x2, etc., one uses place > > > >designators on the basis of the first letter(s) of the constituent > > > >gismu/cmavo. > > > > > > That standard doesn't work. You have no way of telling which order > > > the arguments are in the lujvo. You can't just assume order of > > > appearance, because sometimes the definition needs to have them in a > > > different order than the lujvo. > > Umm, where did you get all that text that you're replying to? I'd > like to be in on whatever discussion that was. > > > That's a valid point. Something should probably be done about it. > > > > (Although this is the way it's been done in NORALUJV for years > > without any problems, it's written in English, which can have > > prepositional phrases all over the place.) > > That's a good point. The easy and obvious solution is: > > x1=a1=b1 > > Which need only be used when the places are out of order. I'll post > something in the help to that effect. To be more clear, if a place numbering field has more than n pairs, where n is the number of components of the lujvo, the first one indicates the actual lujvo place being discussed. Just making that specific because I realized that otherwise lujvo that start with x could be ambiguous. In that case, the user should put more than one letter after the lujvo term, just to be extra clear: x1=xi3=xa2 -Robin -- http://www.digitalkingdom.org/~rlpowell/ *** I'm a *male* Robin. .i le pamoi velru'e zo'u crepu le plibu taxfu .i le remoi velru'e zo'u mo .i le cimoi velru'e zo'u ba'e prali .uisai http://www.lojban.org/ *** to sa'a cu'u lei pibyta'u cridrnoma toi