From lojban-out@lojban.org Wed Mar 12 20:36:48 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_1); 13 Mar 2003 04:36:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 67012 invoked from network); 13 Mar 2003 04:36:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Mar 2003 04:36:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO digitalkingdom.org) (204.152.186.175) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Mar 2003 04:36:48 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.12) id 18tKSV-00024q-00 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 12 Mar 2003 20:36:47 -0800 Received: from digitalkingdom.org ([204.152.186.175] helo=chain) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18tKS9-00023s-00; Wed, 12 Mar 2003 20:36:25 -0800 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Wed, 12 Mar 2003 20:36:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from mercury.ccil.org ([192.190.237.100] ident=mail) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18tKRs-00023J-00 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Wed, 12 Mar 2003 20:36:08 -0800 Received: from cowan by mercury.ccil.org with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 18tKRq-0002qL-00; Wed, 12 Mar 2003 23:36:06 -0500 Subject: [lojban] Re: Suggestions Sought: NORALUJV and jbovlaste In-Reply-To: <20030313003009.GO25165@digitalkingdom.org> from Robin Lee Powell at "Mar 12, 2003 04:30:10 pm" To: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 23:36:06 -0500 (EST) Cc: lojban-list@lojban.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL66 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Message-Id: X-archive-position: 4453 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: cowan@mercury.ccil.org Precedence: bulk X-list: lojban-list X-eGroups-From: John Cowan From: John Cowan Reply-To: cowan@mercury.ccil.org X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790 X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out Robin Lee Powell scripsit: > NORALUJV cannot usefully be loaded into jbovlaste, because the > definition format in no way resembles the lojbanic standard. For > example: > > fazyta'a annoy+talk > fanza+tavla: chatter: x1 = tavla1 (talk) = fanza 1 (pest), x2 = tavla2 > (talked to), x3 = tavla3 (talk subject), x4 = tavla4 (talk language), x5 = > fanza2 (annoyed) Noralujv was originally in the standard you are talking about, but I ran it through a Perl program (or maybe an awk program) to expand the place structure names like "t1" to "tavla1". I am stressed for time right now, but it shouldn't be that hard to write some code to do the reverse transformation. The gismu names are right there in the third field for you, so you can figure out the minimum abbrevs in advance, remembering that "x" is never a valid abbreviation of any gismu. -- John Cowan http://www.ccil.org/~cowan cowan@ccil.org To say that Bilbo's breath was taken away is no description at all. There are no words left to express his staggerment, since Men changed the language that they learned of elves in the days when all the world was wonderful. --_The Hobbit_