From lojban-out@lojban.org Thu Mar 13 10:32:10 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_1); 13 Mar 2003 18:32:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 48439 invoked from network); 13 Mar 2003 18:32:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Mar 2003 18:32:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO digitalkingdom.org) (204.152.186.175) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Mar 2003 18:32:09 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.12) id 18tXUv-0008NK-00 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 13 Mar 2003 10:32:09 -0800 Received: from digitalkingdom.org ([204.152.186.175] helo=chain) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18tXUo-0008N1-00; Thu, 13 Mar 2003 10:32:02 -0800 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Thu, 13 Mar 2003 10:32:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from rlpowell by digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.12) id 18tXUZ-0008Mo-00 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Thu, 13 Mar 2003 10:31:47 -0800 Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 10:31:47 -0800 To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: spofu skami Message-ID: <20030313183147.GF25165@digitalkingdom.org> Mail-Followup-To: lojban-list@lojban.org References: <20030313182853.GA50746@allusion.net> <20030313132324.Y85179-100000@granite.thestonecutters.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030313132324.Y85179-100000@granite.thestonecutters.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.3i X-archive-position: 4474 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Precedence: bulk X-list: lojban-list X-eGroups-From: Robin Lee Powell From: Robin Lee Powell Reply-To: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790 X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out On Thu, Mar 13, 2003 at 01:24:46PM -0500, Invent Yourself wrote: > On Thu, 13 Mar 2003, Jordan DeLong wrote: > > On Thu, Mar 13, 2003 at 10:16:51AM -0800, Robin Lee Powell wrote: > > > On Thu, Mar 13, 2003 at 01:12:17PM -0500, Invent Yourself wrote: > > > > On Thu, 13 Mar 2003, Robin Lee Powell wrote: > > > > > On Thu, Mar 13, 2003 at 09:57:03AM -0500, Invent Yourself > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > It is part of the basic definition. The definition is not > > > > > > "nerve"; that's a logflash mnemonic. > > > > > > > > > > x1 is a nerve/neuron [body-part] of x2 > > > > > > > > > > Note the words 'nerve', 'neuron', and 'body-part'. Perhaps > > > > > you're talking about a different definition? > > > > > > > > You know what I'm talking about. Pretend I've explained myself. > > > > > > Umm, no, I don't. IIRC we've discussed this before, and I threw > > > my hands up in frustration because I couldn't understand what the > > > hell you were trying to say. > > [...] > > > Note the cf. to "ve benji", which seems like it might do what you > > > want. > > > > I agree with robin. > > > > All the "metaphor" suggestions in the gismu list are anti-lojbo, and > > encourage polysemy. > > The gi'uste is a baseline document, defining what lojbo is! Having a > definition that's slightly larger than the mnemonic is not polysemy. "nerve" and "information network connection" are *extremely* disparate. There is no sense in which a definition that includes both a worm's neuron as its primary definition and a fiber-optic cable as an ancillary definition is defining a single concept, and each definition defining one thing is core to lojban last I checked. Yes, I'm aware of teddy bear. But it's specifically pointed out that that might cause confusion, and it certainly isn't listed in the gi'uste. More importantly, a teddy bear is, to me, much more obviously a bear than a fiber optic cable is a neuron. In the former case, there are obvious physical similarities. In the latter there are not. And given the way biological neural networks are laid out, arguing that computer networks are similar in function is stretching things a *lot*. If I can I'm going to convince the bpfk of my POV on this word, just for the record. -Robin -- http://www.digitalkingdom.org/~rlpowell/ *** I'm a *male* Robin. .i le pamoi velru'e zo'u crepu le plibu taxfu .i le remoi velru'e zo'u mo .i le cimoi velru'e zo'u ba'e prali .uisai http://www.lojban.org/ *** to sa'a cu'u lei pibyta'u cridrnoma toi