From lojban-out@lojban.org Thu Mar 13 11:51:02 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_1); 13 Mar 2003 19:51:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 6129 invoked from network); 13 Mar 2003 19:51:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Mar 2003 19:51:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO digitalkingdom.org) (204.152.186.175) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Mar 2003 19:51:01 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.12) id 18tYjF-0000wZ-00 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 13 Mar 2003 11:51:01 -0800 Received: from digitalkingdom.org ([204.152.186.175] helo=chain) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18tYj8-0000wE-00; Thu, 13 Mar 2003 11:50:54 -0800 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Thu, 13 Mar 2003 11:50:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from rlpowell by digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.12) id 18tYj1-0000w5-00 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Thu, 13 Mar 2003 11:50:47 -0800 Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 11:50:47 -0800 To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: Suggestions Sought: NORALUJV and jbovlaste Message-ID: <20030313195047.GT25165@digitalkingdom.org> Mail-Followup-To: lojban-list@lojban.org References: <20030313003009.GO25165@digitalkingdom.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.3i X-archive-position: 4494 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Precedence: bulk X-list: lojban-list X-eGroups-From: Robin Lee Powell From: Robin Lee Powell Reply-To: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790 X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out On Thu, Mar 13, 2003 at 03:00:46PM +0100, Arnt Richard Johansen wrote: > On Wed, 12 Mar 2003, Robin Lee Powell wrote: > > NORALUJV cannot usefully be loaded into jbovlaste, because the > > definition format in no way resembles the lojbanic standard.? For > > example: > > > > fazyta'a??????????????? annoy+talk > > fanza+tavla:? chatter:?? x1 = tavla1 (talk) = fanza 1 (pest), x2 = tavla2 > > (talked to), x3 = tavla3 (talk subject), x4 = tavla4 (talk language), x5 > > = > > fanza2 (annoyed) > > > > So, I'm seeking advice on ways to make this easier.? > > > > Possible Options: > > Other options, in ascending order of manularity: > > 1. The lujvo list is imported into Jbovlaste as-is, except that the > place structure is reduced into gismu abbreviations. For the example > above, this would yield the definition "chatter: $t_1=f_1$ $t_2$ $t_3$ > $t_5$ $f_2$" This is what was done in Veijo's 1993 TeX dictionary, and > is IMHO perfectly understandable for most lojbanists. Boy, xorxes will *love* that. 8) > The downside of choosing this solution is that all the lujvo from > NORALUJV.TXT, which will be the majority, will appear less clearly > defined than those newly entered into Jbovlaste. But, confusing > entries could easily be changed to the newer, verbose place definition > format just by entering an alternative definition and having it voted > on. > 2. The lujvo definition is constructed algorithmically on the basis of > the place definitions in the gismu list. For the example above, this > would yield the definition "$t_1=f_1$ is chatter to $t_2$ about > subject $t_3$ in language $t_4$ $f_2$" This would need a lot of > cleaning up afterwards, but it would work out-of-the-box for many, if > not most, lujvo. I think I could check and rewrite maybe 50 - 100 such > entries if they were in a flat file; slightly less so if in a web > interface. I don't know how one would actually do that, to be honest. I suppose I could make use of jbofi'e's place definitions. > 3. All the words and gloss words from NORALUJV.TXT are auto-entered, > but with the definition field left blank. If some dedicated soul(s) > find that any of them are inadequate, they can write their own > (verbose) definitions from NORALUJV.TXT, which will supersede the > official entry when voted on. -Robin -- http://www.digitalkingdom.org/~rlpowell/ *** I'm a *male* Robin. .i le pamoi velru'e zo'u crepu le plibu taxfu .i le remoi velru'e zo'u mo .i le cimoi velru'e zo'u ba'e prali .uisai http://www.lojban.org/ *** to sa'a cu'u lei pibyta'u cridrnoma toi