From lojban-out@lojban.org Thu Mar 13 11:53:21 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_1); 13 Mar 2003 19:53:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 12259 invoked from network); 13 Mar 2003 19:53:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Mar 2003 19:53:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO digitalkingdom.org) (204.152.186.175) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Mar 2003 19:53:20 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.12) id 18tYlU-0000yW-00 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 13 Mar 2003 11:53:20 -0800 Received: from digitalkingdom.org ([204.152.186.175] helo=chain) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18tYlQ-0000y8-00; Thu, 13 Mar 2003 11:53:16 -0800 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Thu, 13 Mar 2003 11:53:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from rlpowell by digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.12) id 18tYlK-0000xx-00 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Thu, 13 Mar 2003 11:53:10 -0800 Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 11:53:10 -0800 To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: Suggestions Sought: NORALUJV and jbovlaste Message-ID: <20030313195310.GU25165@digitalkingdom.org> Mail-Followup-To: lojban-list@lojban.org References: <20030313044745.GS25165@digitalkingdom.org> <200303131406.JAA12594@mail.reutershealth.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200303131406.JAA12594@mail.reutershealth.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.3i X-archive-position: 4495 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Precedence: bulk X-list: lojban-list X-eGroups-From: Robin Lee Powell From: Robin Lee Powell Reply-To: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790 X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out On Thu, Mar 13, 2003 at 09:09:54AM -0500, John Cowan wrote: > Robin Lee Powell scripsit: > > > > > fazyta'a annoy+talk > > > > fanza+tavla: chatter: x1 = tavla1 (talk) = fanza 1 (pest), x2 = > > > > tavla2 (talked to), x3 = tavla3 (talk subject), x4 = tavla4 (talk > > > > language), x5 = fanza2 (annoyed) > > OK, we're obviously talking about different standards. > > > > x1 is a chatterer who chatters at x2 about x3 in language x4 > > Oh, I understand. In that case, you want to use the stuff in the parens > to generate this: > > x1 is a talk/pest with talked-to x2 with talk-subject x3 > with talk-language x4 with annoyed x5 > > This is not totally smooth English, but it is a mere matter of > copy-editing to make it so. True. But a very large percentage of even the valid lujvo in NORALUJV don't have even that much information; 1 ba'ucpi utter+bird Not really fixable, though. > Break the place structure at the commas, use regular expressions to > extract the useful stuff, and assemble it according to the template > "x1 is a ... with ... x2 with ... x3 with ..." etc. etc. It would be > an easy hack to change the third word to "an" appropriately. > > And, by the way, fanza2 is clearly x2 of fazyta'a (i.e. equal to > > tavla2), not x5. > > Quite right. That sort of semantic error *has* to be corrected by a > human being, of course. Which gets us back to "which human being, and how?". -Robin -- http://www.digitalkingdom.org/~rlpowell/ *** I'm a *male* Robin. .i le pamoi velru'e zo'u crepu le plibu taxfu .i le remoi velru'e zo'u mo .i le cimoi velru'e zo'u ba'e prali .uisai http://www.lojban.org/ *** to sa'a cu'u lei pibyta'u cridrnoma toi