From lojbab@lojban.org Thu Mar 13 15:06:57 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_1); 13 Mar 2003 23:06:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 5967 invoked from network); 13 Mar 2003 23:06:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Mar 2003 23:06:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO digitalkingdom.org) (204.152.186.175) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Mar 2003 23:06:56 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.12) id 18tbmq-00033U-00 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 13 Mar 2003 15:06:56 -0800 Received: from digitalkingdom.org ([204.152.186.175] helo=chain) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18tbmg-00033B-00; Thu, 13 Mar 2003 15:06:46 -0800 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Thu, 13 Mar 2003 15:06:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from lakemtao02.cox.net ([68.1.17.243]) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18tbmJ-00032q-00 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Thu, 13 Mar 2003 15:06:23 -0800 Received: from lojban.lojban.org ([68.100.92.1]) by lakemtao02.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with ESMTP id <20030313230551.VCHR6744.lakemtao02.cox.net@lojban.lojban.org> for ; Thu, 13 Mar 2003 18:05:51 -0500 Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20030313173127.00ac46c0@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: rlechevalier@pop.east.cox.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 17:33:35 -0500 To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: Suggestions Sought: NORALUJV and jbovlaste In-Reply-To: <20030313044745.GS25165@digitalkingdom.org> References: <20030313003009.GO25165@digitalkingdom.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-archive-position: 4508 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: lojbab@lojban.org Precedence: bulk X-list: lojban-list From: Robert LeChevalier Reply-To: lojbab@lojban.org X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1120595 X-Yahoo-Profile: lojbab At 08:47 PM 3/12/03 -0800, Robin Lee Powell wrote: >On Wed, Mar 12, 2003 at 11:36:06PM -0500, John Cowan wrote: > > Robin Lee Powell scripsit: > > > NORALUJV cannot usefully be loaded into jbovlaste, because the > > > definition format in no way resembles the lojbanic standard. For > > > example: > > > > > > fazyta'a annoy+talk > > > fanza+tavla: chatter: x1 = tavla1 (talk) = fanza 1 (pest), x2 = > > > tavla2 (talked to), x3 = tavla3 (talk subject), x4 = tavla4 (talk > > > language), x5 = fanza2 (annoyed) > > > > Noralujv was originally in the standard you are talking about, but I > > ran it through a Perl program (or maybe an awk program) to expand the > > place structure names like "t1" to "tavla1". I am stressed for time > > right now, but it shouldn't be that hard to write some code to do the > > reverse transformation. The gismu names are right there in the third > > field for you, so you can figure out the minimum abbrevs in advance, > > remembering that "x" is never a valid abbreviation of any gismu. > >OK, we're obviously talking about different standards. > >x1 is a chatterer who chatters at x2 about x3 in language x4 > >And, by the way, fanza2 is clearly x2 of fazyta'a (i.e. equal to >tavla2), not x5. It is quite possible that x1 chattering at x2 annoys a third party. -- lojbab lojbab@lojban.org Bob LeChevalier, President, The Logical Language Group, Inc. 2904 Beau Lane, Fairfax VA 22031-1303 USA 703-385-0273 Artificial language Loglan/Lojban: http://www.lojban.org