From phma@webjockey.net Sun Mar 16 12:25:34 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_1); 16 Mar 2003 20:25:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 44952 invoked from network); 16 Mar 2003 20:25:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Mar 2003 20:25:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO digitalkingdom.org) (204.152.186.175) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Mar 2003 20:25:34 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.12) id 18uehJ-0006px-00 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Sun, 16 Mar 2003 12:25:33 -0800 Received: from digitalkingdom.org ([204.152.186.175] helo=chain) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18ueh4-0006pZ-00; Sun, 16 Mar 2003 12:25:18 -0800 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Sun, 16 Mar 2003 12:25:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from 208-150-110-21-adsl.precisionet.net ([208.150.110.21] helo=blackcat.ixazon.lan) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18uegw-0006pC-00 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Sun, 16 Mar 2003 12:25:10 -0800 Received: by blackcat.ixazon.lan (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 604D03DEB; Sun, 16 Mar 2003 20:25:09 +0000 (UTC) Organization: dis To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: [lojban.org #92] Re: Your lujvo records in Jbovlaste Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 15:25:08 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.5 References: <6814DE36-57A3-11D7-8E65-003065D4EC72@optushome.com.au> <20030316200241.GL11275@digitalkingdom.org> In-Reply-To: <20030316200241.GL11275@digitalkingdom.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200303161525.08569.phma@webjockey.net> X-archive-position: 4547 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: phma@webjockey.net Precedence: bulk X-list: lojban-list From: Pierre Abbat Reply-To: phma@webjockey.net X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=92712300 On Sunday 16 March 2003 15:02, Robin Lee Powell wrote: > The only thing that might have changed this is if people insisted that > that natlang words to lojban words should be a 1-to-many mapping, and as > both Nick and lojbab agree that breaking up the polysemy of english > words solves that problem, as far as I'm concerned jbovlaste is > essentially done. Barry bugfixes of course. Actually it doesn't, because most English nouns and adjectives are translated by brivla (verbs), and there may be more than one appropriate brivla, with different place structure, for a sense of a noun. For example, "element;chemical" may be translated as zo selratni fa'u zo cmuxu'i fa'u zo xu'icmu, depending on whether you're talking about its isotopes, its purity, or its compounds. The way around that is to put "see also"s in the lojban->natlang defs, as in the gimste. There are also synonyms resulting from using 3-letter vs. 4-letter rafsi when making a type-3 fu'ivla. You could say "gejrdauko" or "genjrdauko", and I don't carrot all which one you use. This can be handled the same way.