From lojban-out@lojban.org Sun Mar 16 13:45:27 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_1); 16 Mar 2003 21:45:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 11308 invoked from network); 16 Mar 2003 21:45:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Mar 2003 21:45:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO digitalkingdom.org) (204.152.186.175) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Mar 2003 21:45:26 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.12) id 18ufwc-0007PX-00 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Sun, 16 Mar 2003 13:45:26 -0800 Received: from digitalkingdom.org ([204.152.186.175] helo=chain) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18ufwQ-0007PE-00; Sun, 16 Mar 2003 13:45:14 -0800 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Sun, 16 Mar 2003 13:45:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from rlpowell by digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.12) id 18ufwF-0007P3-00 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Sun, 16 Mar 2003 13:45:03 -0800 Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 13:45:03 -0800 To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: [lojban.org #92] Re: Your lujvo records in Jbovlaste Message-ID: <20030316214503.GX11275@digitalkingdom.org> Mail-Followup-To: lojban-list@lojban.org References: <20030316210804.GS11275@digitalkingdom.org> <20030316163747.G35623-100000@granite.thestonecutters.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030316163747.G35623-100000@granite.thestonecutters.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.3i X-archive-position: 4553 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Precedence: bulk X-list: lojban-list X-eGroups-From: Robin Lee Powell From: Robin Lee Powell Reply-To: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790 X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out On Sun, Mar 16, 2003 at 04:41:46PM -0500, Invent Yourself wrote: > On Sun, 16 Mar 2003, Robin Lee Powell wrote: > > On Sun, Mar 16, 2003 at 03:25:08PM -0500, Pierre Abbat wrote: > > > On Sunday 16 March 2003 15:02, Robin Lee Powell wrote: > > > > The only thing that might have changed this is if people > > > > insisted that that natlang words to lojban words should be a > > > > 1-to-many mapping, and as both Nick and lojbab agree that > > > > breaking up the polysemy of english words solves that problem, > > > > as far as I'm concerned jbovlaste is essentially done. Barring > > > > bugfixes of course. > > > > > > Actually it doesn't, because most English nouns and adjectives are > > > translated by brivla (verbs), and there may be more than one > > > appropriate brivla, with different place structure, for a sense of > > > a noun. > > > > You are aware that you are the *only* person at this point who feels > > this way, right? > > I've read the above text several times and I don't understand the > controversy. I read Pierre to be saying that one English word might > map to completely different brivla. A better example than "chemical > element" might be "blow"; "a blow" and "to blow" are completely > different. But somehow I don't think this is what you're all talking > about. Pierre insists that one english word, regardless of how you phrase it or how you use the "in the sense of..." field, can map to more than one valsi. IOW, that "english word+meaning" TO "lojban brivla" is a one-to-many mapping. I say he needs to use the provided features more carefully. -Robin -- http://www.digitalkingdom.org/~rlpowell/ *** I'm a *male* Robin. .i le pamoi velru'e zo'u crepu le plibu taxfu .i le remoi velru'e zo'u mo .i le cimoi velru'e zo'u ba'e prali .uisai http://www.lojban.org/ *** to sa'a cu'u lei pibyta'u cridrnoma toi