From lojban-out@lojban.org Sun Mar 23 23:54:57 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 24 Mar 2003 07:54:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 40688 invoked from network); 24 Mar 2003 07:54:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Mar 2003 07:54:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO digitalkingdom.org) (204.152.186.175) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Mar 2003 07:54:57 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.12) id 18xMnI-0004Vp-00 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Sun, 23 Mar 2003 23:54:56 -0800 Received: from digitalkingdom.org ([204.152.186.175] helo=chain) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18xMmv-0004VP-00; Sun, 23 Mar 2003 23:54:33 -0800 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Sun, 23 Mar 2003 23:54:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from merle.it.northwestern.edu ([129.105.16.57]) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18xIOn-0003b2-00 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Sun, 23 Mar 2003 19:13:21 -0800 Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by merle.it.northwestern.edu (8.12.8/8.12.8) id h2O3DKO0020605 for ; Sun, 23 Mar 2003 21:13:20 -0600 (CST) Received: from northwestern.edu (coconut-32-028052.nuts.northwestern.edu [165.124.28.52]) by merle.it.northwestern.edu via smap (V2.0) id xma020554; Sun, 23 Mar 03 21:13:17 -0600 Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 21:12:09 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v551) Content-Type: text/plain; delsp=yes; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: [lojban] ancient clicks To: lojban-list@lojban.org Message-Id: <66517667-5DA6-11D7-A018-000393629ED4@northwestern.edu> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.551) X-Approved-By: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: sbelknap@northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk X-list: lojban-list X-eGroups-From: Steven Belknap From: Steven Belknap Reply-To: sbelknap@northwestern.edu X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790 X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out There was a New York Times article last week about click languages that I thought might interest some people on this list. I find that I can distinguish at least 7 kinds of clicks: the tsk-tsk sound, the sound we make to horses we are riding to get them to trot, two kinds of loud popping sounds made by sucking and releasing the tongue from the hard palate, one with lips slack, the other with lips loose, a lip smacking noise, a kissing noise and a tooth-sucking noise. I notice that chimps seem to use clicks in their communication. I remember a discussion I had some years ago about how these sounds were to be quoted in Loglan, though I don't remember the details. How does lojban handle quotation of click languages? What of other vocalisms that are not part of speech in widely-spoken languages? http://www.nytimes.com/2003/03/18/science/social/ 18CLIC.html?pagewanted=all&position=top -Steven