From phma@webjockey.net Mon Mar 24 07:29:36 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 24 Mar 2003 15:29:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 57733 invoked from network); 24 Mar 2003 15:29:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Mar 2003 15:29:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO digitalkingdom.org) (204.152.186.175) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Mar 2003 15:29:36 -0000 Received: from digitalkingdom.org ([204.152.186.175] helo=chain) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18xTsq-0001Xv-00; Mon, 24 Mar 2003 07:29:08 -0800 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Mon, 24 Mar 2003 07:29:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from 208-150-110-21-adsl.precisionet.net ([208.150.110.21] helo=blackcat.ixazon.lan) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18xTsX-0001WG-00 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Mon, 24 Mar 2003 07:28:49 -0800 Received: by blackcat.ixazon.lan (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 584731FD; Mon, 24 Mar 2003 15:28:52 +0000 (UTC) Organization: dis To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: ancient clicks Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 10:28:51 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.5 References: <66517667-5DA6-11D7-A018-000393629ED4@northwestern.edu> In-Reply-To: <66517667-5DA6-11D7-A018-000393629ED4@northwestern.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200303241028.51851.phma@webjockey.net> X-archive-position: 4596 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: phma@webjockey.net Precedence: bulk X-list: lojban-list From: Pierre Abbat Reply-To: lojban-list@lojban.org X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=92712300 On Sunday 23 March 2003 22:12, Steven Belknap wrote: > There was a New York Times article last week about click languages that > I thought might interest some people on this list. I find that I can > distinguish at least 7 kinds of clicks: the tsk-tsk sound, the sound we > make to horses we are riding to get them to trot, two kinds of loud > popping sounds made by sucking and releasing the tongue from the hard > palate, one with lips slack, the other with lips loose, a lip smacking > noise, a kissing noise and a tooth-sucking noise. I notice that chimps > seem to use clicks in their communication. I remember a discussion I > had some years ago about how these sounds were to be quoted in Loglan, > though I don't remember the details. How does lojban handle quotation > of click languages? What of other vocalisms that are not part of speech > in widely-spoken languages? You can quote anything in a zoi-quote: zoi zoi iqaqa laziqikaqika zoi bacrynandu. What I'd like to know is, how do we call languages that have clicks in their names? I thought of proposing that some accented characters be added to the alphabet, to be used only in names, to indicate allophones. For instance, {tcomolunmas} could be written with a modified 'n' to indicate, to someone not familiar with the name, that it's pronounced as 'ng'.