From jjllambias@hotmail.com Mon Mar 24 15:24:38 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 24 Mar 2003 23:24:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 46626 invoked from network); 24 Mar 2003 23:24:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Mar 2003 23:24:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO digitalkingdom.org) (204.152.186.175) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Mar 2003 23:24:37 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.12) id 18xbIz-0005c7-00 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 24 Mar 2003 15:24:37 -0800 Received: from digitalkingdom.org ([204.152.186.175] helo=chain) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18xbIm-0005bi-00; Mon, 24 Mar 2003 15:24:24 -0800 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Mon, 24 Mar 2003 15:24:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from f26.law8.hotmail.com ([216.33.241.26] helo=hotmail.com) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18xbIf-0005bY-00 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Mon, 24 Mar 2003 15:24:17 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 24 Mar 2003 15:23:46 -0800 Received: from 200.69.2.52 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 24 Mar 2003 23:23:46 GMT X-Originating-Email: [jjllambias@hotmail.com] To: lojban-list@lojban.org Bcc: Subject: [lojban] Re: ancient clicks Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 23:23:46 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Mar 2003 23:23:46.0858 (UTC) FILETIME=[6B2958A0:01C2F25C] X-archive-position: 4600 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@hotmail.com Precedence: bulk X-list: lojban-list From: "Jorge Llambias" Reply-To: jjllambias@hotmail.com X-Originating-IP: [200.69.2.52] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=6071566 X-Yahoo-Profile: jjllambias2000 la pier cusku di'e >I thought of proposing that some accented characters be added to the >alphabet, >to be used only in names, to indicate allophones. For instance, >{tcomolunmas} >could be written with a modified 'n' to indicate, to someone not familiar >with the name, that it's pronounced as 'ng'. But that would mean they are no longer allophones. The 'n' in {tcomolunmas} should be pronounced just like the 'n' in {lunma} would be pronounced. Whichever of the allowed allophones is used by a given speaker, they should use the same one for both words, and which one they use should have nothing to do with the pronunciation of the word in the language it was borrowed from. If one wants to retain a foreign pronunciation, one should use foreign quotes, not a lojbanized name. I think that pronouncing fully lojbanized words according to the original of the borrowing would sound wrong and affected. mu'o mi'e xorxes _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail