From cowan@ccil.org Tue Mar 25 05:50:37 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: cowan@mercury.ccil.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 25 Mar 2003 13:50:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 21053 invoked from network); 25 Mar 2003 13:50:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Mar 2003 13:50:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mercury.ccil.org) (192.190.237.100) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Mar 2003 13:50:35 -0000 Received: from cowan by mercury.ccil.org with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 18xoot-000206-00; Tue, 25 Mar 2003 08:50:27 -0500 Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: ancient clicks In-Reply-To: from And Rosta at "Mar 25, 2003 01:06:20 pm" To: And Rosta Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 08:50:27 -0500 (EST) Cc: cowan , jjllambias , lojban X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL66 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: X-eGroups-From: John Cowan From: John Cowan X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=212516 X-Yahoo-Profile: johnwcowan And Rosta scripsit: > John: > #Jorge Llambias scripsit: > #> If {tcomoluNmas} is marked as having a different pronunciation > #> than {tcomolunmas}, I don't see how they can still be called > #> allophones. > # > #Because there are no minimal pairs in which [n] vs. [N] makes the > #difference. > > {tcomoluNmas} and {tcomolunmas} would be such a pair. Only if we say they are distinct words, and we don't say that. The allophony creates allolexy, or vice versa. -- John Cowan http://www.ccil.org/~cowan cowan@ccil.org To say that Bilbo's breath was taken away is no description at all. There are no words left to express his staggerment, since Men changed the language that they learned of elves in the days when all the world was wonderful. --_The Hobbit_