From lojban-out@lojban.org Sat Mar 29 01:30:42 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 29 Mar 2003 09:30:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 87310 invoked from network); 29 Mar 2003 09:30:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Mar 2003 09:30:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO digitalkingdom.org) (204.152.186.175) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Mar 2003 09:30:41 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.12) id 18zCfh-0006ns-00 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 29 Mar 2003 01:30:41 -0800 Received: from digitalkingdom.org ([204.152.186.175] helo=chain) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18zCfQ-0006nZ-00; Sat, 29 Mar 2003 01:30:24 -0800 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Sat, 29 Mar 2003 01:30:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from rlpowell by digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.12) id 18zCf5-0006nK-00 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Sat, 29 Mar 2003 01:30:03 -0800 Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 01:30:03 -0800 To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Learning Progressions Message-ID: <20030329093003.GU28386@digitalkingdom.org> Mail-Followup-To: lojban-list@lojban.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.4i X-archive-position: 4683 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Precedence: bulk X-list: lojban-list X-eGroups-From: Robin Lee Powell From: Robin Lee Powell Reply-To: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790 X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out I've noticed that as I watch people learn lojban on IRC, there are definate stages they go through. Some, such as forgetting about 'y', are probably english-specific. The tanru -> lujvo -> fu'ivla progression, however, seems to be rather universal. Given unlimited sentence preperation time, newbies build these *amazing* tanru with je and stuff. Medium-bies try to turn everything into lujvo ("what's a good lujvo for 'pineapple daquiri'?"). Advanced learners develop a brief obbsession with fu'ivla which eventually settles down, but they still use more fu'ivla than any newbie. In fact, newbies essentially don't use them at all. It's kinda neat. Anyone else notice trends like that? -Robin -- http://www.digitalkingdom.org/~rlpowell/ *** I'm a *male* Robin. .i le pamoi velru'e zo'u crepu le plibu taxfu .i le remoi velru'e zo'u mo .i le cimoi velru'e zo'u ba'e prali .uisai http://www.lojban.org/ *** to sa'a cu'u lei pibyta'u cridrnoma toi