From opoudjis@optushome.com.au Sun Mar 30 03:13:23 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: opoudjis@optushome.com.au X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 30 Mar 2003 11:13:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 74110 invoked from network); 30 Mar 2003 11:13:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Mar 2003 11:13:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail021.syd.optusnet.com.au) (210.49.20.161) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Mar 2003 11:13:22 -0000 Received: from optushome.com.au (c17354.brasd1.vic.optusnet.com.au [210.49.155.214]) by mail021.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.11.6p2/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h2UBDKn11213 for ; Sun, 30 Mar 2003 21:13:20 +1000 Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 21:13:20 +1000 Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: Another major jbovlaste update. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v551) To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <20030311190614.GM5580@digitalkingdom.org> Message-Id: <9D69E0FC-62A0-11D7-94D1-003065D4EC72@optushome.com.au> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.551) From: Nick Nicholas X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=90350612 X-Yahoo-Profile: opoudjis On Wednesday, Mar 12, 2003, at 06:06 Australia/Melbourne, Robin Lee Powell wrote: > On Tue, Mar 11, 2003 at 01:56:18PM -0500, Rob Speer wrote: >> On Tue, Mar 11, 2003 at 07:10:44AM -0500, Pierre Abbat wrote: >>> On Tuesday 11 March 2003 06:38, Arnt Richard Johansen wrote: >>>> Although I do think that many of the natlang words should not be >>>> voted on at all. Having lots of entries like "butter source" and >>>> "goodness standard" in the dictionary would be rather inane, IMAO. >>> >>> I don't think it's wrong to have "butter source" in the dictionary, >>> but a lot of the definitions of attitudinals are wrong. {ii}, for >>> instance, should not be translated "fear". It's something you say >>> when you're afraid, not something you say to talk about fear. >>> Similarly, cruelty is kamkusru, not uunai. 'cruelty' should indeed take you to kamkusru (well, kusru. really, but that's another issue); but I find it hard to believe that the glosses of attitudinals will not include the associated English abstract nouns as well. >> I think that most oblique places like "butter source" _should_ be left >> out. Unless it's a point of pride to be the only dictionary in >> existence with an entry for "thing having gonad". > > They should all be in jbovlaste. > > Weeding out the crap is the job of the dictionary editor. > > That being said, I suppose people can feel free to not vote on *really* > useless keywords. But that should be Nick's call. Tis is outrageously late, but I agree. Let the automated 'useless' x2s and x5s be populated in jbovlaste. It *is* a judgement call which ones get excised in a print dictionary, and that judgement call is to be made by the dictionary editor. Bearing in mind that a lot more of these words turn out to be useful than first thought. But jbovlaste is there to provide raw materials; I don't see how anyone can make the judgement, right now, what is and isn't a useful x5. [][][][] [][][][][][][][][][] [][][][] Dr Nick Nicholas. opoudjis@optushome.com.au http://www.opoudjis.net University of Melbourne: nickn@unimelb.edu.au Chiastaxo dhe to giegnissa, i dhedhato potemu, ma ena chieri aftumeno ecratu, chisvissemu. (I Thisia tu Avraam)