From lojban-out@lojban.org Sun Mar 30 11:40:56 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 30 Mar 2003 19:40:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 12100 invoked from network); 30 Mar 2003 19:40:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Mar 2003 19:40:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO digitalkingdom.org) (204.152.186.175) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Mar 2003 19:40:56 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.12) id 18zifn-0004l1-00 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Sun, 30 Mar 2003 11:40:55 -0800 Received: from digitalkingdom.org ([204.152.186.175] helo=chain) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18zieg-0004kJ-00; Sun, 30 Mar 2003 11:39:46 -0800 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Sun, 30 Mar 2003 11:39:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from lakemtao03.cox.net ([68.1.17.242]) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18zieW-0004k5-00 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Sun, 30 Mar 2003 11:39:36 -0800 Received: from nora.lojban.org ([68.100.92.1]) by lakemtao03.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with ESMTP id <20030330193905.RTJB1354.lakemtao03.cox.net@nora.lojban.org> for ; Sun, 30 Mar 2003 14:39:05 -0500 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20030330142618.00aafd40@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: noras@pop.east.cox.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 14:28:06 -0500 To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: Another major jbovlaste update. In-Reply-To: <9D69E0FC-62A0-11D7-94D1-003065D4EC72@optushome.com.au> References: <20030311190614.GM5580@digitalkingdom.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-archive-position: 4692 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: noras@lojban.org Precedence: bulk X-list: lojban-list X-eGroups-From: Nora LeChevalier From: Nora LeChevalier Reply-To: noras@lojban.org X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790 X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out At 09:13 PM 3/30/03 +1000, Nick wrote: >On Wednesday, Mar 12, 2003, at 06:06 Australia/Melbourne, Robin Lee >Powell wrote: > > > On Tue, Mar 11, 2003 at 01:56:18PM -0500, Rob Speer wrote: > >> On Tue, Mar 11, 2003 at 07:10:44AM -0500, Pierre Abbat wrote: > >>> On Tuesday 11 March 2003 06:38, Arnt Richard Johansen wrote: > >>>> Although I do think that many of the natlang words should not be > >>>> voted on at all. Having lots of entries like "butter source" and > >>>> "goodness standard" in the dictionary would be rather inane, IMAO. > >>> > >>> I don't think it's wrong to have "butter source" in the dictionary, > >>> but a lot of the definitions of attitudinals are wrong. {ii}, for > >>> instance, should not be translated "fear". It's something you say > >>> when you're afraid, not something you say to talk about fear. > >>> Similarly, cruelty is kamkusru, not uunai. (snip) > >> I think that most oblique places like "butter source" _should_ be left > >> out. Unless it's a point of pride to be the only dictionary in > >> existence with an entry for "thing having gonad". > > > > They should all be in jbovlaste. > > > > Weeding out the crap is the job of the dictionary editor. > > > > > That being said, I suppose people can feel free to not vote on *really* > > useless keywords. But that should be Nick's call. > >Tis is outrageously late, but I agree. Let the automated 'useless' x2s >and x5s be populated in jbovlaste. It *is* a judgement call which ones >get excised in a print dictionary, and that judgement call is to be >made by the dictionary editor. Bearing in mind that a lot more of these >words turn out to be useful than first thought. But jbovlaste is there >to provide raw materials; I don't see how anyone can make the >judgement, right now, what is and isn't a useful x5. I agree with Nick. Keep in mind that English *does* have a word for "thing having spine". -- mi'e noras noras@lojban.org Nora LeChevalier