From lojban-out@lojban.org Tue Apr 01 14:49:40 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 1 Apr 2003 22:49:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 48457 invoked from network); 1 Apr 2003 22:49:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Apr 2003 22:49:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO digitalkingdom.org) (204.152.186.175) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Apr 2003 22:49:39 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.12) id 190UZX-00018a-00 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 01 Apr 2003 14:49:39 -0800 Received: from digitalkingdom.org ([204.152.186.175] helo=chain) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 190UZK-00018F-00; Tue, 01 Apr 2003 14:49:26 -0800 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Tue, 01 Apr 2003 14:49:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from pacific-carrier-annex.mit.edu ([18.7.21.83]) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 190UZD-000186-00 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Tue, 01 Apr 2003 14:49:19 -0800 Received: from grand-central-station.mit.edu (GRAND-CENTRAL-STATION.MIT.EDU [18.7.21.82]) by pacific-carrier-annex.mit.edu (8.12.4/8.9.2) with ESMTP id h31MnHXh002725 for ; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 17:49:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from melbourne-city-street.mit.edu (MELBOURNE-CITY-STREET.MIT.EDU [18.7.21.86]) by grand-central-station.mit.edu (8.12.4/8.9.2) with ESMTP id h31MnGMM015512 for ; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 17:49:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from torg.mit.edu (TORG.MIT.EDU [18.243.1.228]) ) by melbourne-city-street.mit.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id h31MnGU8013422 for ; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 17:49:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from rob by torg.mit.edu with local (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 190UZ5-0000DX-00 for ; Tue, 01 Apr 2003 17:49:11 -0500 Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 17:49:11 -0500 To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: le jdaselsku pe lo nunjdajirgau .e lo cesysai Message-ID: <20030401224911.GA829@mit.edu> Mail-Followup-To: lojban-list@lojban.org References: <3E8964E6.21679.34364A@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <3E8964E6.21679.34364A@localhost> X-Is-It-Not-Nifty: www.sluggy.com User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.3i X-archive-position: 4706 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: rspeer@MIT.EDU Precedence: bulk X-list: lojban-list X-eGroups-From: Rob Speer From: Rob Speer Reply-To: rspeer@MIT.EDU X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790 X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out On Tue, Apr 01, 2003 at 10:07:34AM +0200, Philip Newton wrote: > Oh, and one lujvo I should probably explain: > > cesmi'e: censa+minde: x1 issues to x2 commandment x3 for result x4 > (event/state) to happen; x4 is commanded to occur > (x1=m1=c1 x2=m2=c2 x3 x4=m3) > I couldn't find a place for the order itself in {minde} so I added one. > Hence I call a commandment a {te cesmi'e}. There's no place for the command itself because it's in the abstraction. A command is a {nu minde}. A commandment would be a {nu cesmi'e}. Or perhaps some other abstractor besides nu, but you get the idea. So the place structure should just be: x1 issues a commandment to x2 for result x3 (m1=c1 m2=c2 m3) -- mu'o mi'e rab.spir