From lojban-out@lojban.org Wed Apr 02 05:33:35 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 2 Apr 2003 13:33:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 51005 invoked from network); 2 Apr 2003 13:33:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Apr 2003 13:33:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO digitalkingdom.org) (204.152.186.175) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Apr 2003 13:33:35 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.12) id 190iMx-0001Ie-00 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 02 Apr 2003 05:33:35 -0800 Received: from digitalkingdom.org ([204.152.186.175] helo=chain) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 190iMf-0001II-00; Wed, 02 Apr 2003 05:33:17 -0800 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Wed, 02 Apr 2003 05:33:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from postman.arcor-online.net ([151.189.0.87]) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 190iMV-0001I8-00 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Wed, 02 Apr 2003 05:33:07 -0800 Received: from hamwpne1 (pc1-oxfd1-5-cust27.oxfd.cable.ntl.com [62.254.134.27]) (authenticated bits=0) by postman.arcor-online.net (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h32DX2EZ069839 for ; Wed, 2 Apr 2003 15:33:04 +0200 (CEST) Organization: datenrevision GmbH & Co. OHG To: lojban-list@lojban.org Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2003 15:31:07 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [lojban] Re: le jdaselsku pe lo nunjdajirgau .e lo cesysai Message-ID: <3E8B023B.30367.16E6360@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <20030401224911.GA829@mit.edu> References: <3E8964E6.21679.34364A@localhost> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.02a) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-description: Mail message body X-archive-position: 4711 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: pnewton@gmx.de Precedence: bulk X-list: lojban-list X-eGroups-From: "Philip Newton" From: "Philip Newton" Reply-To: pnewton@gmx.de X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790 X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out On 1 Apr 2003 at 17:49, Rob Speer wrote: > On Tue, Apr 01, 2003 at 10:07:34AM +0200, Philip Newton wrote: > > I couldn't find a place for the order itself in {minde} so I added one. > > Hence I call a commandment a {te cesmi'e}. > > There's no place for the command itself because it's in the abstraction. > A command is a {nu minde}. A commandment would be a {nu cesmi'e}. > > Or perhaps some other abstractor besides nu, but you get the idea. Hm. So how would you say "his (ko'X) commandments which he (ko'X) has given them (ko'Y)"? {le ko'X nu cesmi'e noi ko'X pu cesmi'e ko'Y} ? {le nu cesmi'e be ko'X bei ko'Y be'o} ? Something else? mu'o mi'e filip. -- filip.niutyn.