From jjllambias2000@yahoo.com.ar Thu Apr 03 18:00:56 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 4 Apr 2003 02:00:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 88314 invoked from network); 4 Apr 2003 02:00:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Apr 2003 02:00:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO digitalkingdom.org) (204.152.186.175) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Apr 2003 02:00:55 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.12) id 191GVj-0007bX-00 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 03 Apr 2003 18:00:55 -0800 Received: from digitalkingdom.org ([204.152.186.175] helo=chain) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 191GVZ-0007bE-00; Thu, 03 Apr 2003 18:00:45 -0800 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Thu, 03 Apr 2003 18:00:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from web20512.mail.yahoo.com ([216.136.175.20]) by digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.12) id 191GVQ-0007b5-00 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Thu, 03 Apr 2003 18:00:36 -0800 Message-ID: <20030404020034.87403.qmail@web20512.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [200.69.2.52] by web20512.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 03 Apr 2003 18:00:34 PST Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 18:00:34 -0800 (PST) Subject: [lojban] Re: le jdaselsku pe lo nunjdajirgau .e lo cesysai To: lojban-list@lojban.org In-Reply-To: <3E8964E6.21679.34364A@localhost> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 4721 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias2000@yahoo.com.ar Precedence: bulk X-list: lojban-list From: Jorge "Llambías" Reply-To: jjllambias2000@yahoo.com.ar X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=142311107 X-Yahoo-Profile: jjllambias2000 la filip cusku di'e > Having been commissioned of Jesus Christ, I baptize you in the name of > the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost. Amen. > > ki'u > le nu > catni fi tu'a la .iesus.xristos. > kei > mi jdajirgau do > fi'o cmene be le patfu .e le bersa .e le censa pruxi fe'u ku > vau > .a'o re'e I suggest something like: ca'e teca'i tu'a la iesus xristos mi jdajirgau do seka'i le patfu ku joi le bersa ku joi le censa pruxi i a'ore'e ca'e: This indicates that it is a performative. I am not just describing what I'm doing, but by saying this words I am actually baptizing you. teca'i: seems better than ki'u seka'i: that's what "in the name of" means, doesn't it? I think {fi'o cmene be} would mean something like "naming the Father, and the Son ..." joi: I'm not too sure here. Is it supposed to mean that I baptize you in the name of the Father, and I baptize you in the name of the Son, and I baptize you in the name of the Holy Ghost? If so, then {.e} would be right, but maybe {joi} sounds more trinitarian? mu'o mi'e xorxes __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more http://tax.yahoo.com