From lojban-out@lojban.org Fri Apr 18 13:14:10 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 18 Apr 2003 20:14:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 89772 invoked from network); 18 Apr 2003 20:14:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Apr 2003 20:14:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO digitalkingdom.org) (204.152.186.175) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Apr 2003 20:14:10 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.12) id 196cFO-0001FX-00 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 18 Apr 2003 13:14:10 -0700 Received: from digitalkingdom.org ([204.152.186.175] helo=chain) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 196cF9-0001FE-00; Fri, 18 Apr 2003 13:13:55 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Fri, 18 Apr 2003 13:13:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fort-point-station.mit.edu ([18.7.7.76]) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 196cF1-0001F5-00 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Fri, 18 Apr 2003 13:13:47 -0700 Received: from central-city-carrier-station.mit.edu (CENTRAL-CITY-CARRIER-STATION.MIT.EDU [18.7.7.72]) by fort-point-station.mit.edu (8.12.4/8.9.2) with ESMTP id h3IKDkT0016017 for ; Fri, 18 Apr 2003 16:13:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from melbourne-city-street.mit.edu (MELBOURNE-CITY-STREET.MIT.EDU [18.7.21.86]) by central-city-carrier-station.mit.edu (8.12.4/8.9.2) with ESMTP id h3IKDjdB019236 for ; Fri, 18 Apr 2003 16:13:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from torg.mit.edu (TORG.MIT.EDU [18.243.1.228]) ) by melbourne-city-street.mit.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id h3IKDjU8013876 for ; Fri, 18 Apr 2003 16:13:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rob by torg.mit.edu with local (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 196cEx-0004Kw-00 for ; Fri, 18 Apr 2003 16:13:43 -0400 Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 16:13:43 -0400 To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: materials needed for resumption of ju'i lobypli Message-ID: <20030418201343.GA16622@mit.edu> Mail-Followup-To: lojban-list@lojban.org References: <20030416210910.GX14888@skunk.reutershealth.com> <20030417183836.GI26227@skunk.reutershealth.com> <20030417190708.GN31828@digitalkingdom.org> <20030417191424.GM26227@skunk.reutershealth.com> <20030417191741.GO31828@digitalkingdom.org> <20030418041047.GA799@allusion.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030418041047.GA799@allusion.net> X-Is-It-Not-Nifty: www.sluggy.com User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.3i X-archive-position: 4837 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: rspeer@MIT.EDU Precedence: bulk X-list: lojban-list X-eGroups-From: Rob Speer From: Rob Speer Reply-To: rspeer@MIT.EDU X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790 X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out On Thu, Apr 17, 2003 at 11:10:47PM -0500, Jordan DeLong wrote: > Dunno. All you *really* need to know is that > mu'ei gi mi klama le zarci gi mi citka lo nanba > means > If I were to go to the store, I would eat some bread. I wish it were like that. But the way mu'ei is now, you need to say "romu'ei" there. I started as a supporter of "mu'ei", but now I realize that the number attached to it is a terrible misfeature. Almost every use of "mu'ei" will be "romu'ei". In the case where you want to say "If foo were to be true, then bar might happen", we _already have_ words for probability, and they should be attached to the brivla, not the mu'ei. The number on "mu'ei" is as redundant as "ba'oi" (which should be "mu'ei ba"). -- mu'o mi'e rab.spir