From lojban-out@lojban.org Fri Apr 18 13:18:39 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 18 Apr 2003 20:18:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 68103 invoked from network); 18 Apr 2003 20:18:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Apr 2003 20:18:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO digitalkingdom.org) (204.152.186.175) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Apr 2003 20:18:38 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.12) id 196cJi-0001H9-00 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 18 Apr 2003 13:18:38 -0700 Received: from digitalkingdom.org ([204.152.186.175] helo=chain) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 196cJX-0001Gq-00; Fri, 18 Apr 2003 13:18:27 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Fri, 18 Apr 2003 13:18:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pacific-carrier-annex.mit.edu ([18.7.21.83]) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 196cJQ-0001Gh-00 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Fri, 18 Apr 2003 13:18:20 -0700 Received: from grand-central-station.mit.edu (GRAND-CENTRAL-STATION.MIT.EDU [18.7.21.82]) by pacific-carrier-annex.mit.edu (8.12.4/8.9.2) with ESMTP id h3IKIJLV017286 for ; Fri, 18 Apr 2003 16:18:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from melbourne-city-street.mit.edu (MELBOURNE-CITY-STREET.MIT.EDU [18.7.21.86]) by grand-central-station.mit.edu (8.12.4/8.9.2) with ESMTP id h3IKIJeI013156 for ; Fri, 18 Apr 2003 16:18:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from torg.mit.edu (TORG.MIT.EDU [18.243.1.228]) ) by melbourne-city-street.mit.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id h3IKIJU8014890 for ; Fri, 18 Apr 2003 16:18:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rob by torg.mit.edu with local (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 196cJM-0004M3-00 for ; Fri, 18 Apr 2003 16:18:16 -0400 Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 16:18:16 -0400 To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: ynai Message-ID: <20030418201816.GB16622@mit.edu> Mail-Followup-To: lojban-list@lojban.org References: <200304181207.22479.phma@webjockey.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-Is-It-Not-Nifty: www.sluggy.com User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.3i X-archive-position: 4838 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: rspeer@MIT.EDU Precedence: bulk X-list: lojban-list X-eGroups-From: Rob Speer From: Rob Speer Reply-To: rspeer@MIT.EDU X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790 X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out On Fri, Apr 18, 2003 at 12:41:37PM -0400, Craig wrote: > >{mi viska le bloti y nai} is grammatical according to jbofi'e, but {mi > viska > >le bloti nai} is not. Is it correct? > > The nai bonds to the y. NAI never bond to a word other than the immediately > preceeding one. Thus, mi viska le bloti ynai means "I see the boat (and I > don't hesitate to say so)" whereas mi viska le bloti nai is ungramatical. I > have been unable to find Y being negated in this way in any real use, > however. That's icky. Saying "uh" should not change the grammar of the sentence. It should be pre-parsed out like word+SI. -- mu'o mi'e y rab.spir