From lojban-out@lojban.org Fri Apr 18 14:04:45 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 18 Apr 2003 21:04:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 10397 invoked from network); 18 Apr 2003 21:04:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Apr 2003 21:04:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO digitalkingdom.org) (204.152.186.175) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Apr 2003 21:04:44 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.12) id 196d2K-0001Vi-00 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 18 Apr 2003 14:04:44 -0700 Received: from digitalkingdom.org ([204.152.186.175] helo=chain) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 196d2E-0001VH-00; Fri, 18 Apr 2003 14:04:38 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Fri, 18 Apr 2003 14:04:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cs6668125-184.austin.rr.com ([66.68.125.184] ident=root) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 196d25-0001V7-00 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Fri, 18 Apr 2003 14:04:29 -0700 Received: from cs6668125-184.austin.rr.com (asdf@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cs6668125-184.austin.rr.com (8.12.6p2/8.12.3) with ESMTP id h3ILFKsr005614 for ; Fri, 18 Apr 2003 16:15:20 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from fracture@cs6668125-184.austin.rr.com) Received: (from fracture@localhost) by cs6668125-184.austin.rr.com (8.12.6p2/8.12.3/Submit) id h3ILFKe9005613 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Fri, 18 Apr 2003 16:15:20 -0500 (CDT) Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 16:15:19 -0500 To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: materials needed for resumption of ju'i lobypli Message-ID: <20030418211519.GA5451@allusion.net> References: <20030416210910.GX14888@skunk.reutershealth.com> <20030417183836.GI26227@skunk.reutershealth.com> <20030417190708.GN31828@digitalkingdom.org> <20030417191424.GM26227@skunk.reutershealth.com> <20030417191741.GO31828@digitalkingdom.org> <20030418041047.GA799@allusion.net> <20030418201343.GA16622@mit.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="UugvWAfsgieZRqgk" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030418201343.GA16622@mit.edu> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.1i X-archive-position: 4839 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: fracture@allusion.net Precedence: bulk X-list: lojban-list X-eGroups-From: Jordan DeLong From: Jordan DeLong Reply-To: fracture@allusion.net X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790 X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out --UugvWAfsgieZRqgk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Apr 18, 2003 at 04:13:43PM -0400, Rob Speer wrote: > On Thu, Apr 17, 2003 at 11:10:47PM -0500, Jordan DeLong wrote: > > Dunno. All you *really* need to know is that > > mu'ei gi mi klama le zarci gi mi citka lo nanba > > means > > If I were to go to the store, I would eat some bread. >=20 > I wish it were like that. But the way mu'ei is now, you need to say > "romu'ei" there. Yeah; was a typo. > I started as a supporter of "mu'ei", but now I realize that the number > attached to it is a terrible misfeature. Almost every use of "mu'ei" > will be "romu'ei". In the case where you want to say "If foo were to be > true, then bar might happen", we _already have_ words for probability, > and they should be attached to the brivla, not the mu'ei. The number on > "mu'ei" is as redundant as "ba'oi" (which should be "mu'ei ba"). Agreed, except I think "mu'ei ba" doesn't work. You can do romu'ei je ba gi mi klama gi mi citka though. That sucks though. Or wait maybe you mean romu'ei gi mi ba klama gi mi citka. That makes sense---ba'oi should just be a ba inside the mu'ei clause. --=20 Jordan DeLong - fracture@allusion.net lu zo'o loi censa bakni cu terzba le zaltapla poi xagrai li'u sei la mark. tuen. cusku --UugvWAfsgieZRqgk Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE+oGrnDrrilS51AZ8RAl8dAKCrXMeuRUxjySjE6speTVQ/jTtj1ACgu6Mj ejir/fBP2PjuPEtItUwSv3s= =fe7y -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --UugvWAfsgieZRqgk--