From lojban-out@lojban.org Fri Apr 18 15:19:26 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 18 Apr 2003 22:19:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 75054 invoked from network); 18 Apr 2003 22:19:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Apr 2003 22:19:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO digitalkingdom.org) (204.152.186.175) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Apr 2003 22:19:25 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.12) id 196eCb-0001sq-00 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 18 Apr 2003 15:19:25 -0700 Received: from digitalkingdom.org ([204.152.186.175] helo=chain) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 196eCW-0001sS-00; Fri, 18 Apr 2003 15:19:20 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Fri, 18 Apr 2003 15:19:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from manyas.bcc.bilkent.edu.tr ([139.179.30.24]) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 196eCN-0001sI-00 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Fri, 18 Apr 2003 15:19:11 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by manyas.bcc.bilkent.edu.tr (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECBFE32286 for ; Sat, 19 Apr 2003 01:18:38 +0300 (EEST) Received: from bilkent.edu.tr (ppp110.bcc.bilkent.edu.tr [139.179.111.110]) by manyas.bcc.bilkent.edu.tr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7F923227A for ; Sat, 19 Apr 2003 01:18:36 +0300 (EEST) Message-ID: <3EA0DCFD.8080803@bilkent.edu.tr> Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2003 01:22:05 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.3) Gecko/20030313 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: ynai References: <200304181207.22479.phma@webjockey.net> <20030418201816.GB16622@mit.edu> In-Reply-To: <20030418201816.GB16622@mit.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS snapshot-20020531 X-archive-position: 4841 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: robin@bilkent.edu.tr Precedence: bulk X-list: lojban-list X-eGroups-From: "robin.bcc" From: "robin.bcc" Reply-To: robin@bilkent.edu.tr X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790 X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out Rob Speer wrote: > On Fri, Apr 18, 2003 at 12:41:37PM -0400, Craig wrote: > >>>{mi viska le bloti y nai} is grammatical according to jbofi'e, but {mi >> >>viska >> >>>le bloti nai} is not. Is it correct? >> >>The nai bonds to the y. NAI never bond to a word other than the immediately >>preceeding one. Thus, mi viska le bloti ynai means "I see the boat (and I >>don't hesitate to say so)" whereas mi viska le bloti nai is ungramatical. I >>have been unable to find Y being negated in this way in any real use, >>however. > > > That's icky. Saying "uh" should not change the grammar of the sentence. > It should be pre-parsed out like word+SI. > ".y" is in selma'o Y, not UI - can it really be negated? robin.tr -- "A Perl script is "correct" if it gets the job done before your boss fires you." - Larry Wall Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Univeritesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin