From ragnarok@pobox.com Fri Apr 18 15:29:51 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 18 Apr 2003 22:29:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 81580 invoked from network); 18 Apr 2003 22:29:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Apr 2003 22:29:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO digitalkingdom.org) (204.152.186.175) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Apr 2003 22:29:51 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.12) id 196eMh-0001xg-00 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 18 Apr 2003 15:29:51 -0700 Received: from digitalkingdom.org ([204.152.186.175] helo=chain) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 196eMb-0001xM-00; Fri, 18 Apr 2003 15:29:45 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Fri, 18 Apr 2003 15:29:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp.intrex.net ([209.42.192.250]) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 196eMT-0001xB-00 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Fri, 18 Apr 2003 15:29:37 -0700 Received: from craig [209.42.200.60] by smtp.intrex.net (SMTPD32-7.13) id AC364B70278; Fri, 18 Apr 2003 18:29:10 -0400 To: Subject: [lojban] Re: Y+NAI is not grammatical; jbofi'e is not always right (was Re: ynai) Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 18:29:07 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <20030418223134.GA6392@allusion.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal X-Declude-Sender: ragnarok@pobox.com [209.42.200.60] X-archive-position: 4843 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: ragnarok@pobox.com Precedence: bulk X-list: lojban-list From: "Craig" Reply-To: ragnarok@pobox.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=48763382 X-Yahoo-Profile: kreig_daniyl >Looking at the BNF, it doesn't look like it should be grammatical: >indicator: (UI | CAI) [NAI] | Y | DAhO | FUhO >and the informal rules >word: [BAhE] any-word [indicators] >any-word : "any single word (no compound cmavo)" >are the relevant parts. The Y rule doesn't support NAI, so I think >the author of jbofi'e probably cheated and implemented Y as a UI >for easiness. As I say, I do not read BNF. I couldn't find mention of Y+NAI in the Book, so when I realized that y was in its own cmavo (I had mislearned it as a UI) I checked jbofi'e to see whether it could take NAI. It could, but I found no usage of that and no mention in the Book, so it is not mentioned in the descriptive record I posted to the BPFK forum.