From lojban-out@lojban.org Fri Apr 18 15:55:26 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 18 Apr 2003 22:55:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 56481 invoked from network); 18 Apr 2003 22:55:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Apr 2003 22:55:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO digitalkingdom.org) (204.152.186.175) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Apr 2003 22:55:26 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.12) id 196elS-0002Av-00 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 18 Apr 2003 15:55:26 -0700 Received: from digitalkingdom.org ([204.152.186.175] helo=chain) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 196elM-0002AS-00; Fri, 18 Apr 2003 15:55:20 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Fri, 18 Apr 2003 15:55:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from manyas.bcc.bilkent.edu.tr ([139.179.30.24]) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 196el7-0002AF-00 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Fri, 18 Apr 2003 15:55:06 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by manyas.bcc.bilkent.edu.tr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 452AD32281 for ; Sat, 19 Apr 2003 01:54:34 +0300 (EEST) Received: from bilkent.edu.tr (ppp110.bcc.bilkent.edu.tr [139.179.111.110]) by manyas.bcc.bilkent.edu.tr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F1B632277 for ; Sat, 19 Apr 2003 01:54:32 +0300 (EEST) Message-ID: <3EA0E569.1060602@bilkent.edu.tr> Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2003 01:58:01 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.3) Gecko/20030313 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: ynai References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS snapshot-20020531 X-archive-position: 4849 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: robin@bilkent.edu.tr Precedence: bulk X-list: lojban-list X-eGroups-From: "robin.bcc" From: "robin.bcc" Reply-To: robin@bilkent.edu.tr X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790 X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out Craig wrote: >>".y" is in selma'o Y, not UI - can it really be negated? > > > Y shouldn't be negatable. Y is not negatable in actual usage. The Book does > not mention Y being negatable. Jbofi'e thinks Y is negatable. Jordan tells > me that the BNF disagrees. Hrm, looks like Y is not negatable. If I remember rightly, the CLL is always right, unless it contradicts the YACC grammar. The YACC grammar is always right unless it contradicts the BNF grammar. All hail to the BNF. Incidentally, I once explained Lojban to a compsci graduate student. His comment: "You've got a Backus-Naur grammar? That is so cool!" robin.tr -- "A Perl script is "correct" if it gets the job done before your boss fires you." - Larry Wall Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Univeritesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin