From lojban-out@lojban.org Fri Apr 18 15:58:49 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 18 Apr 2003 22:58:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 15372 invoked from network); 18 Apr 2003 22:58:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Apr 2003 22:58:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO digitalkingdom.org) (204.152.186.175) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Apr 2003 22:58:48 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.12) id 196eoi-0002Cr-00 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 18 Apr 2003 15:58:48 -0700 Received: from digitalkingdom.org ([204.152.186.175] helo=chain) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 196eof-0002CY-00; Fri, 18 Apr 2003 15:58:45 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Fri, 18 Apr 2003 15:58:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from manyas.bcc.bilkent.edu.tr ([139.179.30.24]) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 196eoW-0002CM-00 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Fri, 18 Apr 2003 15:58:37 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by manyas.bcc.bilkent.edu.tr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39E133227E for ; Sat, 19 Apr 2003 01:58:05 +0300 (EEST) Received: from bilkent.edu.tr (ppp110.bcc.bilkent.edu.tr [139.179.111.110]) by manyas.bcc.bilkent.edu.tr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7129332277 for ; Sat, 19 Apr 2003 01:58:00 +0300 (EEST) Message-ID: <3EA0E638.2060902@bilkent.edu.tr> Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2003 02:01:28 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.3) Gecko/20030313 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: ynai References: <200304181839.17563.phma@webjockey.net> In-Reply-To: <200304181839.17563.phma@webjockey.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS snapshot-20020531 X-archive-position: 4850 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: robin@bilkent.edu.tr Precedence: bulk X-list: lojban-list X-eGroups-From: "robin.bcc" From: "robin.bcc" Reply-To: robin@bilkent.edu.tr X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790 X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out Pierre Abbat wrote: > On Friday 18 April 2003 18:30, Craig wrote: > >>>".y" is in selma'o Y, not UI - can it really be negated? >> >>Y shouldn't be negatable. Y is not negatable in actual usage. The Book does >>not mention Y being negatable. Jbofi'e thinks Y is negatable. Jordan tells >>me that the BNF disagrees. Hrm, looks like Y is not negatable. > > > What about {mi viska le bloti .ui .y. nai}? The ".y." is outside the grammar of the sentence, rather like an English adverbial. Either the sentence is ungrammatical, or we apply that rule (i.e. don't apply scope rules to selma'o Y), in which case I suppose it would come out as "I see the boat. Cool, er, not." robin.tr -- "A Perl script is "correct" if it gets the job done before your boss fires you." - Larry Wall Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Univeritesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin