From eye_onus@yahoo.com Fri Apr 18 19:39:40 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: eye_onus@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 19 Apr 2003 02:39:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 94686 invoked from network); 19 Apr 2003 02:39:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Apr 2003 02:39:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.86) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Apr 2003 02:39:39 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.163] by n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Apr 2003 02:39:39 -0000 Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2003 02:39:39 -0000 To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Subject: The art of place structure. (And how to destroy it.) Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1291 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "eye_onus" X-Originating-IP: 132.178.216.192 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=85296368 X-Yahoo-Profile: eye_onus I recently came across la lojban. due to Eric S. Raymond (the author of 'The Jargon File') and his paper on using J.R.R. Tolkien's Tengwar character set for Lojban. I've been working on learning it, and have recently completed Chapter 3 of 'Lojban for Beginner's' by Robin Turner and Nick Nicholas, whereupon I came to the lojban word 'klama' : x1 goes to x2 from x3 via route x4 by means x5 As in 'I go to the store from my house via Bradway using my car.' The thing is, I would think that the means for how x1 goes to x2 would be used more often than where the x1 departs from (x3) or especially what route x1 is taking (x4). i.e. 'I go to the store in my car.' happens more often than 'I go to the store from my house.' x4 I would not think is used much at all. So, if I wanted to say 'I went to the store in my car.' in Lojban, I would have to say 'mi klama le sorcu fu karce', and if I then, as an afterthought, also decided to say where from and what route, I would finish that with 'fi zo'e zo'e'. I am familiar with 'se' and related, which switch x1 and xn, but is there a way to alter the place structure of 'klama' to mean 'x1 goes to x2 by means x3 from x4 via route x5'? -Jon Apologies in advance for excessive wordiness and anything 'maglico' in this post.