From ragnarok@pobox.com Fri Apr 18 20:13:42 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: ragnarok@pobox.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 19 Apr 2003 03:13:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 3841 invoked from network); 19 Apr 2003 03:13:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Apr 2003 03:13:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp.intrex.net) (209.42.192.250) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Apr 2003 03:13:41 -0000 Received: from craig [209.42.200.60] by smtp.intrex.net (SMTPD32-7.13) id AEEB7699006E; Fri, 18 Apr 2003 23:13:47 -0400 To: Subject: RE: [lojban] The art of place structure. (And how to destroy it.) Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 23:13:42 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal X-Declude-Sender: ragnarok@pobox.com [209.42.200.60] From: "Craig" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=48763382 X-Yahoo-Profile: kreig_daniyl > I recently came across la lojban. due to Eric S. Raymond (the author >of 'The Jargon File') and his paper on using J.R.R. Tolkien's Tengwar >character set for Lojban. I've been working on learning it, and have >recently completed Chapter 3 of 'Lojban for Beginner's' by Robin >Turner and Nick Nicholas, whereupon I came to the lojban Welcome. >would have to say 'mi klama le sorcu fu karce', and if I then, as an It would be "fu lo karce". Gadri were the last common thing I learned to use properly; the simple rule is that all sumti need them even if the English doesn't. >finish that with 'fi zo'e zo'e'. I am familiar with 'se' and related, >which switch x1 and xn, but is there a way to alter the place >structure of 'klama' to mean 'x1 goes to x2 by means x3 from x4 via >route x5'? Multiple SE. For example, se te se swaps x2 and x3. Watch: ko'a ko'e ko'i ko'o ko'u broda ko'e ko'a ko'i ko'o ko'u se broda ko'i ko'a ko'e ko'o ko'u te se broda ko'a ko'i ko'e ko'o ko'u se te se broda Very messy. I stick with FA if I need afterthought, and remember that although the distributions aren't a perfect match for the order they aren't bad - the first two are usually right, and the rest aren't used all that much. >Apologies in advance for excessive wordiness and anything 'maglico' >in this post. Oh, there's absolutely nothing to worry about. First of all, your post was free from anything other than simple newbiness (you'll grow out of that pretty quick), and secondly, despite occasional reports to the contrary, when you're new enough that it happens more than a very teeny bit, we really won't mind malglico. It is only an issue when we are getting really serious and discussing how things 'ought' to be.