From lojban-out@lojban.org Sat Apr 19 01:49:51 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 19 Apr 2003 08:49:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 90475 invoked from network); 19 Apr 2003 08:49:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Apr 2003 08:49:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO digitalkingdom.org) (204.152.186.175) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Apr 2003 08:49:50 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.12) id 196o2g-0007aG-00 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 19 Apr 2003 01:49:50 -0700 Received: from digitalkingdom.org ([204.152.186.175] helo=chain) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 196o2X-0007Zx-00; Sat, 19 Apr 2003 01:49:41 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Sat, 19 Apr 2003 01:49:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp3.wanadoo.fr ([193.252.22.27] helo=mwinf0403.wanadoo.fr) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 196o2O-0007Zo-00 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Sat, 19 Apr 2003 01:49:32 -0700 Received: from free.fr (AMontpellier-104-1-13-182.abo.wanadoo.fr [81.50.63.182]) by mwinf0403.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id DDB99500034D for ; Sat, 19 Apr 2003 10:49:00 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <3EA10D54.4030201@free.fr> Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2003 10:48:20 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.2.1) Gecko/20021130 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: ynai References: <200304181839.17563.phma@webjockey.net> <20030418230151.GB6836@allusion.net> In-Reply-To: <20030418230151.GB6836@allusion.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed X-archive-position: 4858 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: nessus@free.fr Precedence: bulk X-list: lojban-list X-eGroups-From: Lionel Vidal From: Lionel Vidal Reply-To: nessus@free.fr X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790 X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out Jordan DeLong wrote: >On Fri, Apr 18, 2003 at 06:39:16PM -0400, Pierre Abbat wrote: > > >>What about {mi viska le bloti .ui .y. nai}? >> >> > >The way the bnf is defined that would not parse, unfortunately. > And this actually contradicts slightly the CLL (p484): "it can appear anywhere at all in a lojban sentence except in the middle of a word" >The rules for that stuff are informal though; they shouldn't be >taken too literally. "Y" really ought to be dealt with at the same >level as si/sa/su, as someone mentioned. > Indeed. Anf then it should be removed entirely from the formal grammar and handle through a new 'Filtering Step'. (probably something for the BPFK) But note that it should be filtered *before* SI/SA/SU stuff: there is no need to erase a harmless Y, whereas I may *very much* hesitate before uttering an erasing SA :-) (BTW, here is food for another thread: this nasty SA is still to be formalized AFAIK, and this is not an easy job :-) Best wishes, Lionel Vidal