From phma@webjockey.net Sat Apr 19 09:37:01 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: phma@ixazon.dynip.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 19 Apr 2003 16:37:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 97363 invoked from network); 19 Apr 2003 16:37:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Apr 2003 16:37:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO blackcat.ixazon.lan) (208.150.110.21) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Apr 2003 16:36:58 -0000 Received: by blackcat.ixazon.lan (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 6D7E4406A; Sat, 19 Apr 2003 16:37:03 +0000 (UTC) Organization: dis To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] The art of place structure. (And how to destroy it.) Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2003 12:37:03 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.5 References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200304191237.03025.phma@webjockey.net> From: Pierre Abbat X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=92712300 On Friday 18 April 2003 22:39, eye_onus wrote: > I recently came across la lojban. due to Eric S. Raymond (the author > of 'The Jargon File') and his paper on using J.R.R. Tolkien's Tengwar > character set for Lojban. I've been working on learning it, and have > recently completed Chapter 3 of 'Lojban for Beginner's' by Robin > Turner and Nick Nicholas, whereupon I came to the lojban > word 'klama' : x1 goes to x2 from x3 via route x4 by means x5 > > As in 'I go to the store from my house via Bradway using my car.' > > The thing is, I would think that the means for how x1 goes to x2 > would be used more often than where the x1 departs from (x3) or > especially what route x1 is taking (x4). i.e. 'I go to the store in > my car.' happens more often than 'I go to the store from my house.' > x4 I would not think is used much at all. > > So, if I wanted to say 'I went to the store in my car.' in Lojban, I > would have to say 'mi klama le sorcu fu karce', and if I then, as an > afterthought, also decided to say where from and what route, I would > finish that with 'fi zo'e zo'e'. I am familiar with 'se' and related, > which switch x1 and xn, but is there a way to alter the place > structure of 'klama' to mean 'x1 goes to x2 by means x3 from x4 via > route x5'? If you go to the store to buy something, that's zarci or zaisle, not sorcu. When I went to the sorcu, I got my furniture out of it, where I had put it some years before.