From lojban-out@lojban.org Tue Apr 22 03:14:23 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 22 Apr 2003 10:14:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 67393 invoked from network); 22 Apr 2003 10:14:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Apr 2003 10:14:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO digitalkingdom.org) (204.152.186.175) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Apr 2003 10:14:21 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.12) id 197un6-0006e0-00 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 22 Apr 2003 03:14:20 -0700 Received: from digitalkingdom.org ([204.152.186.175] helo=chain) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 197ull-0006dR-00; Tue, 22 Apr 2003 03:12:57 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Tue, 22 Apr 2003 03:12:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from postman.arcor-online.net ([151.189.0.87]) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 197uj4-0006bu-00 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Tue, 22 Apr 2003 03:10:10 -0700 Received: from hamwpne1 (pc1-oxfd1-5-cust27.oxfd.cable.ntl.com [62.254.134.27]) (authenticated bits=0) by postman.arcor-online.net (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3MAA5ps078899 for ; Tue, 22 Apr 2003 12:10:06 +0200 (CEST) Organization: datenrevision GmbH & Co. OHG To: lojban-list@lojban.org Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 12:09:54 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [lojban] Re: The art of place structure. (And how to destroy it.) Message-ID: <3EA53112.14091.61D0E3@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: References: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.02a) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-description: Mail message body X-archive-position: 4883 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: pnewton@gmx.de Precedence: bulk X-list: lojban-list X-eGroups-From: "Philip Newton" From: "Philip Newton" Reply-To: pnewton@gmx.de X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790 X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out On 19 Apr 2003 at 15:52, eye_onus wrote: > Actually, I was thikning of 'my car' rather than 'the car' or 'a > car', so it would 'fu le mi karce', correct? Not necessarily. "le mi karce" is correct, but IMO "le karce" is also correct since in this context, it is understood to be your car. (Compare http://www.lojban.org/publications/reference_grammar/chapter8.html , section 3 "relative phrases", specifically the bit at the end around examples 3.19 and 3.20 .) So you can use "mi klama fu le mi karce" if you want to be specific, but could also say "mi klama fu le karce". (And you could be even more specific by saying "mi klama fu le karce po mi" if it's your car and not just one that you happen to be driving or that you rented or whatever.) mu'o mi'e .filip. -- Philip Newton