From lojban-out@lojban.org Tue Apr 22 07:21:33 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 22 Apr 2003 14:21:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 25564 invoked from network); 22 Apr 2003 14:21:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Apr 2003 14:21:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO digitalkingdom.org) (204.152.186.175) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Apr 2003 14:21:32 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.12) id 197yeK-0002JF-00 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 22 Apr 2003 07:21:32 -0700 Received: from digitalkingdom.org ([204.152.186.175] helo=chain) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 197ye9-0002IH-00; Tue, 22 Apr 2003 07:21:21 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Tue, 22 Apr 2003 07:21:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from postman.arcor-online.net ([151.189.0.87]) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 197ydq-0002H8-00 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Tue, 22 Apr 2003 07:21:02 -0700 Received: from hamwpne1 (pc1-oxfd1-5-cust27.oxfd.cable.ntl.com [62.254.134.27]) (authenticated bits=0) by postman.arcor-online.net (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3MEKwps012831 for ; Tue, 22 Apr 2003 16:20:59 +0200 (CEST) Organization: datenrevision GmbH & Co. OHG To: lojban-list@lojban.org Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 16:20:40 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [lojban] Re: The art of place structure. (And how to destroy it.) Message-ID: <3EA56BD8.29993.14766B2@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <20030422135233.52356.qmail@web10902.mail.yahoo.com> References: <3EA53016.7765.5DF971@localhost> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.02a) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-description: Mail message body X-archive-position: 4886 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: pnewton@gmx.de Precedence: bulk X-list: lojban-list X-eGroups-From: "Philip Newton" From: "Philip Newton" Reply-To: pnewton@gmx.de X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790 X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out On 22 Apr 2003 at 6:52, Jon MacLeod wrote: > I was > hoping there was a way of making a lujvo with the revised place structure Well... you could use {terxelvelterkla}, which is a lujvo with place structure "x1 comes/goes to destination x2 using means/vehicle x3 from origin x4 via route x5"; it's pretty transparently formed from "te xe ve te klama". (I'm not sure what you hope to gain by that, though.) Or you could use something like {ma'ekla} (< marce + klama), "to go with vehicle". Since place structure in lujvo is basically up to the author of the lujvo, you could give it the place structure you wanted. (It would probably not be easily comprehensible unless the place structure were formed by fairly regular rules, which I can't be bothered to look up in the refgramm at the moment. Basically, m1=k5 and m2=k1, while m3 might be k4 though I'm not sure about that. And m4 should also appear somewhere in the place structure of the lujvo.) > or perhaps re-arranging the existing place structure without such > constructs as 'te xe ve te' or 'xe ka'a' Re-arranging the existing place structure is pretty much the domain of SE, as far as I know (and, to a lesser degree, of modals [such as FIhO and BAI], which can add unnumbered places). > "I have a brain, I've just lost my mind." -Ian McLeod-----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK-----Version 3.1GSC>$ d+(++) s++:-- a-- C++ UL P L>+++ !E W+(++) N++ o? K- !w--- O- M@ V? PS+++ PE- Y+ PGP- t+ !5 X(+) R+ !tv-- b+++ DI+ D+ G e* h* r-(%) y+ ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ What's a "vbr"? (Whatever it is, I don't think it does what you think it does.) mu'o mi'e .filip. -- filip.niutyn.