From jimc@MATH.UCLA.EDU Wed Apr 23 09:45:55 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 23 Apr 2003 16:45:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 15493 invoked from network); 23 Apr 2003 16:45:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Apr 2003 16:45:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO digitalkingdom.org) (204.152.186.175) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Apr 2003 16:45:54 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.12) id 198NNa-0006UO-00 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 09:45:54 -0700 Received: from digitalkingdom.org ([204.152.186.175] helo=chain) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 198NNQ-0006U4-00; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 09:45:44 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Wed, 23 Apr 2003 09:45:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fern.math.ucla.edu ([128.97.4.251]) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 198NNJ-0006Tv-00 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 09:45:37 -0700 Received: from simba.math.ucla.edu (simba.math.ucla.edu [128.97.4.125]) by fern.math.ucla.edu (8.12.9/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h3NGjauY022635; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 09:45:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from simba.math.ucla.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by simba.math.ucla.edu (8.12.6/8.12.6/SuSE Linux 0.6) with ESMTP id h3NGjal1002071; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 09:45:36 -0700 Received: from localhost (jimc@localhost) by simba.math.ucla.edu (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) with ESMTP id h3NGjaWJ002068; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 09:45:36 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: simba.math.ucla.edu: jimc owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 09:45:36 -0700 (PDT) To: eye_onus@yahoo.com Cc: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: [OT] God Syndrome (OR: The why of 'why') In-Reply-To: <20030423024138.74602.qmail@web10907.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-archive-position: 4906 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jimc@math.ucla.edu Precedence: bulk X-list: lojban-list From: Jim Carter Reply-To: jimc@math.ucla.edu X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=810565 I think the question being asked is, how in Lojban do you express "why does 'X does Y for reason Z'"; in other words, we're not here to answer the question, but rather, to ask it in a way that others can understand what we're asking. No, I'm not going to try for a Lojban answer. The definitions of causal sentence connectives are very slippery and need to be nailed down carefully. For -gua!spi I've posted a discussion: http://www.math.ucla.edu/~jimc/guaspi/vocab2.html Search for the 2nd occurrence of "reason". To summarize, Z (the reason) is a consequence of action Y, and the hoped-for achievement of Z is what motivates X to do Y. So, what are the contingencies in X's programming that make Z sufficiently attractive to get X off his/her butt? (Nature? Nurture? Original sin? Now we're getting OT^2 :-) James F. Carter Voice 310 825 2897 FAX 310 206 6673 UCLA-Mathnet; 6115 MSA; 405 Hilgard Ave.; Los Angeles, CA, USA 90095-1555 Email: jimc@math.ucla.edu http://www.math.ucla.edu/~jimc (q.v. for PGP key)