From jimc@MATH.UCLA.EDU Wed Apr 23 09:56:24 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimc@math.ucla.edu X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 23 Apr 2003 16:56:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 61107 invoked from network); 23 Apr 2003 16:56:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Apr 2003 16:56:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fern.math.ucla.edu) (128.97.4.251) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Apr 2003 16:56:22 -0000 Received: from simba.math.ucla.edu (simba.math.ucla.edu [128.97.4.125]) by fern.math.ucla.edu (8.12.9/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h3NGuLuY023347 for ; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 09:56:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from simba.math.ucla.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by simba.math.ucla.edu (8.12.6/8.12.6/SuSE Linux 0.6) with ESMTP id h3NGuLl1002077 for ; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 09:56:21 -0700 Received: from localhost (jimc@localhost) by simba.math.ucla.edu (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) with ESMTP id h3NGuL3O002074 for ; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 09:56:21 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: simba.math.ucla.edu: jimc owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 09:56:21 -0700 (PDT) To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Defining lujvo In-Reply-To: <20030423064243.GA17874@swbell.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Jim Carter X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=810565 On Wed, 23 Apr 2003 xavin@xavin.adhockery.net wrote: > Is there a way to define a lujvo without refering to another language? > More importantly, is there a way to define a gismu without falling back > to another language? -gua!spi strikes twice in one day :-) See: http://www.math.ucla.edu/~jimc/guaspi/cases.html Look for "What Definitions Mean". To summarize: a predicate "is" a relation between its arguments, and is defined as a set (or class, if infinite) of thus-related sets of arguments. The textual exigesis is no more than a learning aid. Beware, the discussion is for -gua!spi, and a number of points differ from official Loglan/Lojban. James F. Carter Voice 310 825 2897 FAX 310 206 6673 UCLA-Mathnet; 6115 MSA; 405 Hilgard Ave.; Los Angeles, CA, USA 90095-1555 Email: jimc@math.ucla.edu http://www.math.ucla.edu/~jimc (q.v. for PGP key)