From jimc@MATH.UCLA.EDU Wed Apr 23 10:15:37 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimc@math.ucla.edu X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 23 Apr 2003 17:15:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 95403 invoked from network); 23 Apr 2003 17:15:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Apr 2003 17:15:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fern.math.ucla.edu) (128.97.4.251) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Apr 2003 17:15:36 -0000 Received: from simba.math.ucla.edu (simba.math.ucla.edu [128.97.4.125]) by fern.math.ucla.edu (8.12.9/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h3NHFauY024955 for ; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 10:15:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from simba.math.ucla.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by simba.math.ucla.edu (8.12.6/8.12.6/SuSE Linux 0.6) with ESMTP id h3NHFal1002093 for ; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 10:15:36 -0700 Received: from localhost (jimc@localhost) by simba.math.ucla.edu (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) with ESMTP id h3NHFa0o002090 for ; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 10:15:36 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: simba.math.ucla.edu: jimc owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 10:15:36 -0700 (PDT) To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [cowan: Re: [lojban] Defining lujvo] In-Reply-To: <20030423170634.GG14253@ccil.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Jim Carter X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=810565 On Wed, 23 Apr 2003, John Cowan wrote: > This definitely won't work for Loglan/Lojban. For example, in Lojban > it is possible to create two lujvo with the place structures "x1 has > a heart" and "x1 has a kidney", and these are distinct predicates. > In Gua\spi, however, they are the same predicate. Not to contradict your conclusion that the -gua\spi definition won't work for (every predicate in) Lojban, but isn't it "x1 is be-kidneyed by x2"? Presumably, the sets of hearts and kidneys would only overlap a little, unless we're defining a formerly unrecognized synonym, so the referent sets would be distinct in this case. James F. Carter Voice 310 825 2897 FAX 310 206 6673 UCLA-Mathnet; 6115 MSA; 405 Hilgard Ave.; Los Angeles, CA, USA 90095-1555 Email: jimc@math.ucla.edu http://www.math.ucla.edu/~jimc (q.v. for PGP key)