From jjllambias2000@yahoo.com.ar Wed Apr 23 11:14:56 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjllambias2000@yahoo.com.ar X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 23 Apr 2003 18:14:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 2499 invoked from network); 23 Apr 2003 18:14:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Apr 2003 18:14:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web20509.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.226.144) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Apr 2003 18:14:55 -0000 Message-ID: <20030423181453.36557.qmail@web20509.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [200.49.74.2] by web20509.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 11:14:53 PDT Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 11:14:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: mi'e To: lojban@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20030423165647.GC14253@ccil.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Jorge "Llambías" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=142311107 X-Yahoo-Profile: jjllambias2000 --- John Cowan wrote: > It's far from easy to design a morphology that is self-segregating at > both the word and the morpheme level while still allowing a modicum of > naturalness in the morphemes, and I know of no conlang except Loglan/ > Lojban that even attempts it. What about something like this: every morpheme consists of one or more consonants followed by one or more vowels. A {y} can be optionally pronounced between consonants, and a {'} can appear between vowels. So for example {ba}, {ba'a}, {bra}, {bba} are all morphemes, the last one can be pronounced /byba/. Morphemes that start with a single consonant are cmavo and the rest are gismu. For example, {barda} could be {bra} and {gerku} could be {grku}, with additional possible pronunciations /gyrku/, /gryku/ or /gyryku/. > (Gua\spi bypasses the problem by having > no multi-morpheme words and no tanru/lujvo distinction.) The difficulty for Lojban came mainly from the requirement that gismu had to have CCVCV or CVCCV form, which is nice enough for gismu, but everything else was patches upon patches over that. To distinguish tanru from lujvo all we would need is a separator cmavo. With the above morphology, we could have {bragrku} for {brage'u} and {brake grku} for {barda gerku}, for example. And this morphology doesn't use stress at all to segregate words. mu'o mi'e xorxes __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo http://search.yahoo.com