From lojban-out@lojban.org Thu Apr 24 11:52:37 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 24 Apr 2003 18:52:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 20201 invoked from network); 24 Apr 2003 18:23:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Apr 2003 18:23:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO digitalkingdom.org) (204.152.186.175) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Apr 2003 18:23:15 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.12) id 198lNL-0006tg-00 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 24 Apr 2003 11:23:15 -0700 Received: from digitalkingdom.org ([204.152.186.175] helo=chain) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 198lNB-0006tN-00; Thu, 24 Apr 2003 11:23:05 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Thu, 24 Apr 2003 11:23:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rlpowell by digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.12) id 198lN1-0006t6-00 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Thu, 24 Apr 2003 11:22:55 -0700 Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 11:22:55 -0700 To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: compass Message-ID: <20030424182255.GK28930@digitalkingdom.org> Mail-Followup-To: lojban-list@lojban.org References: <200304232002.03565.phma@webjockey.net> <20030424000637.GG28930@digitalkingdom.org> <200304232037.39419.phma@webjockey.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200304232037.39419.phma@webjockey.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.4i X-archive-position: 4939 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Precedence: bulk X-list: lojban-list X-eGroups-From: Robin Lee Powell From: Robin Lee Powell Reply-To: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790 X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out On Wed, Apr 23, 2003 at 08:37:39PM -0400, Pierre Abbat wrote: > On Wednesday 23 April 2003 20:06, Robin Lee Powell wrote: > > On Wed, Apr 23, 2003 at 08:02:03PM -0400, Pierre Abbat wrote: > > > Which is better, {cukyxratci} or {cukci'atci}? > > > > Neither; you want cuktai in there somewhere. See the definition of > > tarmi. > > > > Right off the top of my head, how about cuktaizbatci? > > That would be a tool for making ideal circles out of something. A real compass > (with a real pen/pencil on one leg and a real pin on the other) draws a > cukla, not a cuktai. You are now arguing with the tarmi definition, not me: [also pattern; x1 is the mathematical or theoretical ideal form, while x2 is an object/event manifesting that form; e.g. circular/circle-shaped (= cukseltai) vs. circle (=cuktai, while cukla alone is ambiguous); Also, from cukla: [normally used for a filled-in circle/disk, but emphasis on roundness means that the concept may include 'ring']; So at the least you should probably be using djine if you insist on avoiding cuktai. -Robin -- http://www.digitalkingdom.org/~rlpowell/ *** I'm a *male* Robin. .i le pamoi velru'e zo'u crepu le plibu taxfu .i le remoi velru'e zo'u mo .i le cimoi velru'e zo'u ba'e prali .uisai http://www.lojban.org/ *** to sa'a cu'u lei pibyta'u cridrnoma toi