From lojban-out@lojban.org Sun May 04 09:32:09 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 4 May 2003 16:32:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 86994 invoked from network); 4 May 2003 16:32:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 May 2003 16:32:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO digitalkingdom.org) (204.152.186.175) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 May 2003 16:32:08 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.12) id 19CMPI-0005of-00 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Sun, 04 May 2003 09:32:08 -0700 Received: from digitalkingdom.org ([204.152.186.175] helo=chain) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19CMP9-0005oK-00; Sun, 04 May 2003 09:31:59 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Sun, 04 May 2003 09:31:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp3.wanadoo.fr ([193.252.22.25] helo=mwinf0604.wanadoo.fr) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19CMOz-0005oB-00 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Sun, 04 May 2003 09:31:49 -0700 Received: from free.fr (AMontpellier-104-1-1-41.abo.wanadoo.fr [81.50.73.41]) by mwinf0604.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id D155828000B9 for ; Sun, 4 May 2003 18:31:17 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <3EB5402C.3060607@free.fr> Date: Sun, 04 May 2003 18:30:36 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.2.1) Gecko/20021130 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: required commas (was Re: Stress of cmene) References: <200305040821.28114.phma@webjockey.net> <3EB53281.2060300@free.fr> <20030504160442.GA73599@allusion.net> In-Reply-To: <20030504160442.GA73599@allusion.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed X-archive-position: 5109 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: nessus@free.fr Precedence: bulk X-list: lojban-list X-eGroups-From: Lionel Vidal From: Lionel Vidal Reply-To: nessus@free.fr X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790 X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out Jordan DeLong wrote: >Perhaps this was intending to refer to commas which don't change >the pronunciation of the word, and only clarify syllabic consonants. >E.g. s/Commas are never required/These commas are never required/. >But no one *actually* uses commas this way anyway. They only really >use them to split up diphthongs (in cmene). > > Well, my mistake. You are quite right of course, and although I was less than half serious in my first paragraph, I should not have drawn non-sensical conclusions for the pleasure of a bad joke. (And anyway I did realise too late it was non-sensical). I still think my proposals for default stress on cmene is a good solution though. And I still think that two cmenes should not be considered different if they differ only in stress. Best wishes, Lionel From lojban-out@lojban.org Sun May 04 09:32:09 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 4 May 2003 16:32:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 86994 invoked from network); 4 May 2003 16:32:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 May 2003 16:32:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO digitalkingdom.org) (204.152.186.175) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 May 2003 16:32:08 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.12) id 19CMPI-0005of-00 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Sun, 04 May 2003 09:32:08 -0700 Received: from digitalkingdom.org ([204.152.186.175] helo=chain) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19CMP9-0005oK-00; Sun, 04 May 2003 09:31:59 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Sun, 04 May 2003 09:31:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp3.wanadoo.fr ([193.252.22.25] helo=mwinf0604.wanadoo.fr) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19CMOz-0005oB-00 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Sun, 04 May 2003 09:31:49 -0700 Received: from free.fr (AMontpellier-104-1-1-41.abo.wanadoo.fr [81.50.73.41]) by mwinf0604.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id D155828000B9 for ; Sun, 4 May 2003 18:31:17 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <3EB5402C.3060607@free.fr> Date: Sun, 04 May 2003 18:30:36 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.2.1) Gecko/20021130 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: required commas (was Re: Stress of cmene) References: <200305040821.28114.phma@webjockey.net> <3EB53281.2060300@free.fr> <20030504160442.GA73599@allusion.net> In-Reply-To: <20030504160442.GA73599@allusion.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed X-archive-position: 5109 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: nessus@free.fr Precedence: bulk X-list: lojban-list X-eGroups-From: Lionel Vidal From: Lionel Vidal Reply-To: nessus@free.fr X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790 X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out Jordan DeLong wrote: >Perhaps this was intending to refer to commas which don't change >the pronunciation of the word, and only clarify syllabic consonants. >E.g. s/Commas are never required/These commas are never required/. >But no one *actually* uses commas this way anyway. They only really >use them to split up diphthongs (in cmene). > > Well, my mistake. You are quite right of course, and although I was less than half serious in my first paragraph, I should not have drawn non-sensical conclusions for the pleasure of a bad joke. (And anyway I did realise too late it was non-sensical). I still think my proposals for default stress on cmene is a good solution though. And I still think that two cmenes should not be considered different if they differ only in stress. Best wishes, Lionel