From lojban-out@lojban.org Sun May 04 11:33:28 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 4 May 2003 18:33:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 93987 invoked from network); 4 May 2003 18:33:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 May 2003 18:33:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO digitalkingdom.org) (204.152.186.175) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 May 2003 18:33:24 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.12) id 19COId-0006LE-00 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Sun, 04 May 2003 11:33:23 -0700 Received: from digitalkingdom.org ([204.152.186.175] helo=chain) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19COIT-0006Kn-00; Sun, 04 May 2003 11:33:13 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Sun, 04 May 2003 11:33:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cs6668125-184.austin.rr.com ([66.68.125.184] ident=root) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19COII-0006Ke-00 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Sun, 04 May 2003 11:33:02 -0700 Received: from cs6668125-184.austin.rr.com (asdf@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cs6668125-184.austin.rr.com (8.12.8p1/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h44Igq67074858 for ; Sun, 4 May 2003 13:42:57 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from fracture@cs6668125-184.austin.rr.com) Received: (from fracture@localhost) by cs6668125-184.austin.rr.com (8.12.8p1/8.12.8/Submit) id h44IgphB074857 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Sun, 4 May 2003 13:42:51 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sun, 4 May 2003 13:42:51 -0500 To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: Some ideas/questions (long) Message-ID: <20030504184251.GA74689@allusion.net> References: <20030504154745.GX28808@ccil.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="sm4nu43k4a2Rpi4c" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-archive-position: 5111 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: fracture@allusion.net Precedence: bulk X-list: lojban-list X-eGroups-From: Jordan DeLong From: Jordan DeLong Reply-To: fracture@allusion.net X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790 X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out --sm4nu43k4a2Rpi4c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, May 04, 2003 at 04:59:24PM -0000, oskar2379 wrote: [...] > > It *could* be expressed as a lujvo. For that matter, "mamta" could=20 > be > > expressed as a lujvo too. The gismu are not intended to be a=20 > minimal > > basis set. >=20 > You're right, mamta should be parent-female :) > Maybe that will be the first thing I try to do...split gismu up. It=20 > will take a while but I'm only 16 so I have a lot of time. [...] I don't think mamta requires x1 to be a female. It just has to be someone who is acting maternally to x2 (the entry specifically says it is not just about biological relationships). So perhaps parent-female (fetsyrirni) is a useful predicate; but I don't think it is the same as mamta. --=20 Jordan DeLong - fracture@allusion.net lu zo'o loi censa bakni cu terzba le zaltapla poi xagrai li'u sei la mark. tuen. cusku --sm4nu43k4a2Rpi4c Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE+tV8qDrrilS51AZ8RAgIBAJ4/sqybs4ao230kVYRFe9euu1bOvwCeM406 mLX8WavDjucdzRpIkUNsnBE= =shbp -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --sm4nu43k4a2Rpi4c-- From lojban-out@lojban.org Sun May 04 11:33:28 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 4 May 2003 18:33:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 93987 invoked from network); 4 May 2003 18:33:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 May 2003 18:33:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO digitalkingdom.org) (204.152.186.175) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 May 2003 18:33:24 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.12) id 19COId-0006LE-00 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Sun, 04 May 2003 11:33:23 -0700 Received: from digitalkingdom.org ([204.152.186.175] helo=chain) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19COIT-0006Kn-00; Sun, 04 May 2003 11:33:13 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Sun, 04 May 2003 11:33:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cs6668125-184.austin.rr.com ([66.68.125.184] ident=root) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19COII-0006Ke-00 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Sun, 04 May 2003 11:33:02 -0700 Received: from cs6668125-184.austin.rr.com (asdf@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cs6668125-184.austin.rr.com (8.12.8p1/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h44Igq67074858 for ; Sun, 4 May 2003 13:42:57 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from fracture@cs6668125-184.austin.rr.com) Received: (from fracture@localhost) by cs6668125-184.austin.rr.com (8.12.8p1/8.12.8/Submit) id h44IgphB074857 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Sun, 4 May 2003 13:42:51 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sun, 4 May 2003 13:42:51 -0500 To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: Some ideas/questions (long) Message-ID: <20030504184251.GA74689@allusion.net> References: <20030504154745.GX28808@ccil.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="sm4nu43k4a2Rpi4c" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-archive-position: 5111 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: fracture@allusion.net Precedence: bulk X-list: lojban-list X-eGroups-From: Jordan DeLong From: Jordan DeLong Reply-To: fracture@allusion.net X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790 X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out --sm4nu43k4a2Rpi4c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, May 04, 2003 at 04:59:24PM -0000, oskar2379 wrote: [...] > > It *could* be expressed as a lujvo. For that matter, "mamta" could=20 > be > > expressed as a lujvo too. The gismu are not intended to be a=20 > minimal > > basis set. >=20 > You're right, mamta should be parent-female :) > Maybe that will be the first thing I try to do...split gismu up. It=20 > will take a while but I'm only 16 so I have a lot of time. [...] I don't think mamta requires x1 to be a female. It just has to be someone who is acting maternally to x2 (the entry specifically says it is not just about biological relationships). So perhaps parent-female (fetsyrirni) is a useful predicate; but I don't think it is the same as mamta. --=20 Jordan DeLong - fracture@allusion.net lu zo'o loi censa bakni cu terzba le zaltapla poi xagrai li'u sei la mark. tuen. cusku --sm4nu43k4a2Rpi4c Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE+tV8qDrrilS51AZ8RAgIBAJ4/sqybs4ao230kVYRFe9euu1bOvwCeM406 mLX8WavDjucdzRpIkUNsnBE= =shbp -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --sm4nu43k4a2Rpi4c--