From phma@webjockey.net Sun May 04 16:39:24 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: phma@ixazon.dynip.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 4 May 2003 23:39:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 13810 invoked from network); 4 May 2003 23:39:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 May 2003 23:39:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO blackcat.ixazon.lan) (208.150.110.21) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 May 2003 23:39:23 -0000 Received: by blackcat.ixazon.lan (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 628AD2C11; Sun, 4 May 2003 23:39:22 +0000 (UTC) Organization: dis To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: xumtau Date: Sun, 4 May 2003 19:39:21 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.5 References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200305041939.21885.phma@webjockey.net> From: Pierre Abbat X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=92712300 On Sunday 04 May 2003 18:54, oskar2379 wrote: > Pierre, > > Do you mean that lojban has no word that just means 'compound'? What > about jorne or mixre? Anyway, I like your idea. {mixre} means "mixture". A mixture of hydrogen and oxygen is different from water. {jorne} means "bond"; e.g. ne'i lo cicnykliru lo tabno lo trano cu jorne lo cimei, in cyanogen a carbon and a nitrogen are triple bonded. I made a list of proposed chemical gismu at http://www.lojban.org/wiki/index.php/Chemistry . > But while we are on the subject; I wonder if there is a way to name > atoms by their atomic number. If one could make a lujvo for 'charged- > particle', and then attach numbers to it to signify how many (since > in principle it is the # of protons/electrons that differenciates > atoms) you could have words for hydrogen and gold, and still have > room for elements yet to be discovered. {ratni} x2 can be the atomic number. I wrote a list of element names at http://www.lojban.org/jbovlaste/wiki/periodic%20table; for ones like "unbinilium" that have no name but a number, one can say {pavrelnoncmu}, but no one is going to use words like {zelsozycmu} for every element when he can just say {solji}. phma From phma@webjockey.net Sun May 04 16:39:24 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: phma@ixazon.dynip.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 4 May 2003 23:39:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 13810 invoked from network); 4 May 2003 23:39:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 May 2003 23:39:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO blackcat.ixazon.lan) (208.150.110.21) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 May 2003 23:39:23 -0000 Received: by blackcat.ixazon.lan (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 628AD2C11; Sun, 4 May 2003 23:39:22 +0000 (UTC) Organization: dis To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: xumtau Date: Sun, 4 May 2003 19:39:21 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.5 References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200305041939.21885.phma@webjockey.net> From: Pierre Abbat X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=92712300 On Sunday 04 May 2003 18:54, oskar2379 wrote: > Pierre, > > Do you mean that lojban has no word that just means 'compound'? What > about jorne or mixre? Anyway, I like your idea. {mixre} means "mixture". A mixture of hydrogen and oxygen is different from water. {jorne} means "bond"; e.g. ne'i lo cicnykliru lo tabno lo trano cu jorne lo cimei, in cyanogen a carbon and a nitrogen are triple bonded. I made a list of proposed chemical gismu at http://www.lojban.org/wiki/index.php/Chemistry . > But while we are on the subject; I wonder if there is a way to name > atoms by their atomic number. If one could make a lujvo for 'charged- > particle', and then attach numbers to it to signify how many (since > in principle it is the # of protons/electrons that differenciates > atoms) you could have words for hydrogen and gold, and still have > room for elements yet to be discovered. {ratni} x2 can be the atomic number. I wrote a list of element names at http://www.lojban.org/jbovlaste/wiki/periodic%20table; for ones like "unbinilium" that have no name but a number, one can say {pavrelnoncmu}, but no one is going to use words like {zelsozycmu} for every element when he can just say {solji}. phma